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Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:02 PM Nov 2016

"Identity politics" rich white folks style

Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

I see the accusation that Hillary Clinton lost because she played "identity politics" during the general election.

That accusation is not just unsupported by anything she said or did during the GE, it is an insult to "identity politics."

Quite frankly, I have no problem with identity politics. This country has demographically diverse groups of voters whose interests are diametrically opposed. Pointing out that obvious fact is not just honesty, it's good politics.

No, Hillary lost (if indeed she really lost in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania . . . something we will never know because SHE HAS QUIT FIGHTING) because she played "identity politics" IN THE PRIMARY (and did it in as destructive and cynical a way as possible) and then ABANDONED identity politics when she got to the general election. (Fair notice: the remainder of this OP borrows substantially from an earlier post. You can stop here if you've already read it).

In the primary, Hillary's campaign INTENTIONALLY drove a wedge between social justice liberals and economic justice liberals (an act which I will tell you from personal knowledge disgusted and repulsed both those of us who started off in the BPP and/or other liberation movements and MOST of those who started out with Dr. King, the SCLC, and the Poor People's Campaign and know/knew in all certainty that we are joined at the hip to the worker) in order to defeat Sanders (particularly in the South where we are THE VOICE of the Democratic Party). Yes, IN THE PRIMARY, she stood by us in our churches and our communities, she stood with the victims of police violence, etc. and we stood with her. Yes, that tactic allowed her to jettison our traditional working class allies and still get the nomination. Congrats.

However, WHEN SHE GOT TO THE GENERAL ELECTION, she refused to stand up for us at all on ANY ISSUE that would offend the target of Third Way political theory, i.e., upper middle-class suburbanites AND the big money donors the Third Way believes determines winners and losers.

Unfortunately, not only did this leave the working class whom she vilified in the primaries less than inspired, it also left people like me butting our heads against the wall trying to get our community to turn out. Even more unfortunately, the wedge she created to get the nomination was welcomed with open arms by that racist POS Trump who went to Hillary's target audience in the suburbs and told them that the election was them vs. not just us, but also gays, Muslims, and Spanish-speaking immigrants. The Third Way's target audience, those white suburbanites, men and women alike, promptly voted like the racists some of us always knew they were.

Yes, elections can be won with "identity politics." As everyone from King to Cleaver to Debs understood, there are stark lines of demarcation in this country, BUT they're between the oppressors and the oppressed, not between neighbors.

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"Identity politics" rich white folks style (Original Post) Uponthegears Nov 2016 OP
It is my contention that Clinton did play identity politics. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #1
Pure revisionist history Uponthegears Nov 2016 #6
"Your accusations against Sanders are really just more of the same " NCTraveler Nov 2016 #7
Who is saying that? White dudes? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #2
That's a well thought out argument. nt el_bryanto Nov 2016 #3
Ugh, unrec. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #4
She stood with working class people on every issue. Can you name one where she didn't? DanTex Nov 2016 #5
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. It is my contention that Clinton did play identity politics.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Nov 2016

I also believe one cannot be a solid progressive without identity politics.

"In the primary, Hillary's campaign INTENTIONALLY drove a wedge between social justice liberals and economic justice liberals"

That is a highly dishonest statement. She was the candidate willing to see all of the issues, not just one in a manner to divide. Your claim here is clearly more suited to be aimed at Sanders.

"because she played "identity politics" IN THE PRIMARY "

Both her and Sanders did. That is a simple fact. Why wouldn't they?

You also change your own thoughts with respect to Clinton and identity politics a total of three times in your op. Each change to support what you wanted to say in the first place.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
6. Pure revisionist history
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:53 PM
Nov 2016

Obviously we agree on your first sentence.

BUT

Your accusations against Sanders are really just more of the same "it's working people vs. oppressed people" tripe that Hillary loyalists spread during the primary (and Trump flipped and used against her during the GE).

Bernie's campaign focused entirely on economic justice issues. Hillary and her supporters responded that economic justice is ONLY a white working class issue and that Bernie (with a 100% rating on civil rights voting and a documented history of civil rights activism), by focusing on economic justice, didn't care about our community.

When, exactly, did Bernie say that my community didn't care about white folks if they didn't support economic justice issues? HE DIDN'T SAY IT. He said, just like those of us who have been fighting for civil rights for longer than a lot of you have been alive, that economic justice powers social justice. Btw, the working class, the <$50K folks (at least the ones who weren't discouraged by Hillary's primary campaign) STILL voted for her.

Btw, if you think I changed my own thoughts "three times" you might take a stab at pointing out where. The fact is that it was Hillary who changed from the champion of our community (and the communities of other oppressed groups) and our causes she was during the primary to a one-dimensional "how can you vote for that scumbag Trump" candidate.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. "Your accusations against Sanders are really just more of the same "
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:21 PM
Nov 2016

He is a career politician. There is no question about that. It is a fact. I also never stated he is just more of the same. You literally made that up. Truly dishonest on your part.

"Bernie's campaign focused entirely on economic justice issues."

Actually, after the protest in Seattle, he drastically changed message. That is well known by all. His message literally changed that week. Why wouldn't it. He is a career politician and gets it.


"When, exactly, did Bernie say that my community didn't care about white folks if they didn't support economic justice issues?"

You seem to be in an argument with yourself.

"just like those of us who have been fighting for civil rights for longer than a lot of you have been alive"

Get off my lawn. Really? Assumptions to this level often stink.



DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. She stood with working class people on every issue. Can you name one where she didn't?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:46 PM
Nov 2016

Minimum wage, unions, equal pay, tax rates, etc.

The election wasn't about economic issues.

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