2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPostmortems are useful, but don't get your hopes up.
The odds of reversing this election approach zero. The EC will vote according to the results in those states. Recounts will not reverse the results. We're going to have an orange-haired nitwit in the White House and Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress. I cannot see any way that's going to change, realistically.
It's time to start trying to figure out how to minimize the damage, not to try to find ways to change the outcome of the 2016 election. I can't imagine that happening in any conceivable way.
It's time to plan for how to keep this cluster-fuck from destroying our country. That's the real discussion.
Sorry to be blunt. Sorry to disappoint. Sorry we lost, especially. I voted for Hillary. Hillary carried my state. Minnesota voters kept our Democratic House members. This is where I live. Others live in places where Hillary lost. I can't explain what happened there.
Moving on...
kimbutgar
(21,161 posts)Nor does it hurt to demand an audit. If you never try you'll never know if you could have succeeded.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)But, don't expect anything to come from it. This is a state-by-state thing. States run elections. Challenges and recounts must originate in individual states. I'm not seeing any sign of that happening. The EC will vote on the appointed date and the inauguration will happen on January 20. Short of some miracle, the results of both are already known.
Reality often sucks. We need to start looking forward, it seems to me. We need to find some way to minimize the damage.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)But there is a significant wishful-thinking brigade that won't let it go, which is, of course their right.
But it does nothing to help us prepare for a potential Senatorial slaughter in 2018.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)even if some of the electors went the faithless route, Congress would simply reject their votes and send the election to the House.
Mika
(17,751 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Could you elaborate, please?
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)or planet at this point if we quietly accept this theft of democracy.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)then you should do whatever you think will accomplish that.
But, consider this: The Clinton campaign has not demanded recounts in any state, as far as I am aware. If it does not, there will be no recounts. If there are no recounts, there will be no change in the official results.
I think the Clinton campaign has looked at results, state-by-state, and has concluded that recounts in those states will not change the outcomes. I think that she and her campaign is out of this.
A federal audit? Well, that won't take place until after the inauguration, frankly, and will require the courts to weigh in on a state-by-state basis. Elections in this country are state-run. Of all the states' rights issues, that is the one with the strongest support. That's why so many states have archaic and biased voting laws. Those laws remain in effect.
We have less than 60 days before a new President moves into the White House.
I'm moving on to look for ways to obstruct the Republicans' plans, frankly. The election is over.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'll start by upping my communications with my elected representatives, all of whom are Democrats, except for the President-elect. I'll also be talking with other Democrats in my area to see what we can come up with. We have two Democratic Senators and one Democratic House member in my district. They will be working tirelessly to block terrible appointments and actions, and will be working to convince some Republicans in Congress to act with them.
As for myself, I'm not a powerful person, politically. I'm just a lowly precinct chair in St. Paul, MN. Individually, I'm not sure what I'll be able to do.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)Not an effort to revive the patient. Why we lost is the topic, toward the end of finding what we can do better next time.