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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:05 PM Nov 2016

Sorry, Hillary Clinton Fans. There's Zero Evidence of Election Hacking

The Daily Beast

“There is zero evidence of tampering right now. Zero,” David Becker, the executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, told The Daily Beast. The simpler explanation for why the vote deviated from expectations and historical trends was that Barack Obama wasn’t at the top of the ticket. The results for Clinton “only look off when you compare them to the Obama elections” in 2008 and 2012, Becker said.

The hackers would have had to begin their work in advance of the election. And in those states or counties that don’t use electronic voting machines exclusively, they’d probably have to be on the ground, infiltrating elections offices, and working up to Election Day if not on the day itself. Throwing the votes in these three states on the same day would have required teams of people working in coordination with a high risk that they’d get caught, Becker said.

“I don’t know how you’d plan for something like this even if you had George Clooney and Brad Pitt,” he said, referring to the Oceans movie franchise in which talented thieves pull of absurdly implausible heists.

Even one of the computer scientists reportedly urging Clinton to call for a recount seemed to downplay the notion that hackers stole the
election for Trump.
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Sorry, Hillary Clinton Fans. There's Zero Evidence of Election Hacking (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2016 OP
No "sorry Hillary" about it radical noodle Nov 2016 #1
Wow. Sorry Hillary. Its her fault for not calling for a recount and its her fault boston bean Nov 2016 #2
I do wonder why Hillary is not leading the charge. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #26
I'm not. boston bean Nov 2016 #27
I don't want her to. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #31
Why didn't you use the actual subject heading? nt DURHAM D Nov 2016 #3
ima like wth??? Dripping condescension for hillary. Why??? boston bean Nov 2016 #5
I did... brooklynite Nov 2016 #8
No you did not. DURHAM D Nov 2016 #10
I think they edited it (the website) Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #12
It appears they updated the headline after I posted. brooklynite Nov 2016 #13
Well, madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #4
You're right SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #6
The Department of Justice has a division that investigates... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #11
Hacking proven before election.... DK504 Nov 2016 #29
Hillary hasn't said anything about this. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #7
Sorry, but the obvious dogwhistle headline is misleading. lapucelle Nov 2016 #9
Halderman (UMich) says Becker is WRONG Maven Nov 2016 #14
Here's what he actually said: Bob41213 Nov 2016 #18
Daily Beast: "Official assurances count for something." ucrdem Nov 2016 #15
I'm tired of... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #16
Amen! BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #23
Yes that irritates the hell out of me. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #32
We dont know this and computer experts MFM008 Nov 2016 #17
Even the guy who brought this up, admits it's unlikely. mythology Nov 2016 #19
well he can still choke to death MFM008 Nov 2016 #33
In urban areas yes... But not in rural areas with evoting machines uponit7771 Nov 2016 #20
The GOP IS stealing the vote but not with hacked computers. stevebreeze Nov 2016 #21
We'll see about that, David Becker. n/t Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #22
cool. Ellipsis Nov 2016 #24
Click bait headlines sucks. Coyotl Nov 2016 #25
Ill take "almost no hope" over "no hope at all" any day. nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #28
I think it's unlikely to amount to anything, but I think it's worth doing anyway gollygee Nov 2016 #30

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
1. No "sorry Hillary" about it
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:07 PM
Nov 2016

She hasn't been the one pushing for this.

I feel good that we had 2 million more votes than cheeto did.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
31. I don't want her to.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:16 PM
Nov 2016

Trump would have her arrested on Inauguration Day if the recount didn't change anything.

Stein is in the perfect position to lead on this.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
4. Well,
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:10 PM
Nov 2016

there might be insufficient evidence of computer hacking.

But our election process was damned well hacked by the Roberts' Supreme Court gutting of the Voting Rights Act.

Not to mention the instances of voter caging and the false "election security" of suppressive voter ID laws.

Computer hacking is only one component, it's not the whole thing.


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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. The Department of Justice has a division that investigates...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:20 PM
Nov 2016

election fraud, no deadlines and time limits.

It requires evidence, not phone calls or 'creative speculation.'

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/pin

They got a whole "book" on it!

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal/legacy/2013/09/30/electbook-rvs0807.pdf

DK504

(3,847 posts)
29. Hacking proven before election....
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:45 PM
Nov 2016

"The hackers would have had to begin their work in advance of the election."

So suddenly the hackers from Russia had breached how many accounts before the election, but suddenly there is NO evidence there was hacking involved anywhere? I have a hard time believe the Daily Beast.

Ace Rothstein

(3,163 posts)
7. Hillary hasn't said anything about this.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:13 PM
Nov 2016

Most of the talk around it is coming from here, Reddit and Huffington Post.

lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
9. Sorry, but the obvious dogwhistle headline is misleading.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:19 PM
Nov 2016

Hillary is not making any such claim, nor will she.

There are plenty of things to apologize to Mrs. Clinton for. This is not one of them.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
18. Here's what he actually said:
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:52 PM
Nov 2016
https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.ab3t0wqk9

Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked.

Edit: Sorry, link is fubarred. You'll have to copy and paste it.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. Daily Beast: "Official assurances count for something."
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:44 PM
Nov 2016

Yes, except when the officials are RWNJs. Basically Mr Becker is talking out of his ass and to check his reassurances the author phoned up a few election officials in WI, MI and PA who assured him that they would have detected any problems. Fine, but the fate of the world is hanging on the dubious results of their election systems so surely they won't object to having their tabulations audited?

Okay they will but let's take every possible precaution that the law allows eh?

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
16. I'm tired of...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:50 PM
Nov 2016

...the word "fans" although it may be in the original article. I consider myself a "Hillary Clinton supporter..." and/or a "Bernie Sanders supporter..." etcetera...

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
23. Amen!
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:28 PM
Nov 2016

I am not a "fan" of any politician, although there are several whom I supported. In 2016, I wholeheartedly supported Hillary Clinton.

Whatever the election result in the rigged and archaic Electoral College, I consider her the "winner" by more than two million votes! I will never accept Trump and will never - ever - refer to him as President. Period.

MFM008

(19,816 posts)
17. We dont know this and computer experts
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:14 PM
Nov 2016

seem to disagree.
This ass wad will never be president on the west coast or in my house.

Still hoping he chokes to death on a turkey bone.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
19. Even the guy who brought this up, admits it's unlikely.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/election-results-hacked-new-york-magazine-231796

Of course given that he thinks there was a systematic error in the polls, when the national polls were only off by about 1 or 2 percent, I'm not inclined to give his analysis any further consideration.

stevebreeze

(1,877 posts)
21. The GOP IS stealing the vote but not with hacked computers.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:13 PM
Nov 2016

Hacking computers would require a lot of people who would have no way of stopping themselves of bragging about their accomplishments.
No elections are rigged with voter role purges, ID laws the felon disenfranchisement.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
25. Click bait headlines sucks.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:58 PM
Nov 2016

"I don’t believe that either one of these seemingly unlikely explanations is overwhelmingly more likely than the other.”

The problem with a successful election heist is there is no evidence after the fact. That's the first thing you have to get through your head. We trust people to count votes, and machines, and code we can't read because a corporation owns it. And, never mind who owns the corporation, but their private business is more important than transparency. We are left with the numbers they report and talking heads telling us to move along whenever the numbers don't pass inspection. We are also left with the knowledge that under 100,000 votes, possibly only 50,000, decided the electoral college in any two or three of six key battleground races where the polling and exit polling was both rigorous and matched.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
30. I think it's unlikely to amount to anything, but I think it's worth doing anyway
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:46 PM
Nov 2016

Checking every so often keeps people honest.

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