with Clinton at 232, that puts her at 276.

That makes her president-elect

I bet Clinton supporters would not go around attacking, terrorizing and taunting white men if that sort of miracle did happen.

Different DNA

and boycott and call any business that advertises on rw radio -

gop will go nuts and media will notice

At a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, free market deregulation bullshit, swiftboating, and the hate and fear used to get people to vote republican.

FU Dem Party, but especially the progressive organizations.

Important states, and limbaugh stations they support by broadcasting sports on those stations
at they're worth 1 x 15 x 5 = $75.000/week free to gop and yesterday limbaugh weighed in from all those stations ridiculing recount thoughts, getting the screaming hoards ready

MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1

NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2

OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1

PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1 (well known climate scientist Michael Mann works at Penn State!)

WISCONSIN 3 $225,000 Wisconsin 3

255 limbaugh stations supported by 90 universities x $75,000 = $19,125,000/wk x 54 = about $1BIL/yr worth of Republican propaganda that would have a hard time happening without the help of those 90 universities.

100%

I'd love to see a recount in Ohio and Florida added to the list.

It appears that you're right about that.

The Guardian (UK) reported 9 hours ago that Stein has already raised over $3 million.

to warrant a recount? Arizona and North Carolina were closer. Florida should definitely be added, if at all possible.

Impressed they are paying attention. Unlike the media here.

They are paying a lot of very close attention.

It's almost as if they care more than we do, sad as that would be.

Do the power Dems even care?

Do they have fight in them?

I think not.

The fact the he is saying nothing right now gives me hope. If they were doing nothing, he would have replied immediately.

The Dems are using the holiday weekend and accompanying island of media stability to crack into the voting numbers in these states. If we don't hear something by Monday, then here's noting there. Asking for a recount comes off as a little petty, unless the recount shows something.

Within a 15 minute period, I saw two spots on CNN and one on MSNBC.

I have cut back on my MSM time. It's bad for my blood pressure.

and I've done the same thing for the same reason.

political shows. I still have Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and AM Joy. But only one recording, saving nothing for later viewing. So far I've only watched a few times and only for a few minutes. It makes me sad, and mad, and sick.

In a real normal world fishy election results, the Russian involvement, the neo-nazi involvement, the fraud, the many miss steps by the creature of orange commits, and the list goes on. And I degrees from the point. The Point is, in the normal world, all this would be every where 24/7. Like The Benghazi crap, the private email bull shit, the hacked email garbage, and all the bill had issues, were constantly repeated over and over.

Seems the only thing we can do is call government people and hope they do something. And most people don't even know that because the press barely mentions any of this.

At some point, the anger over "this" is going to explode. And when I say "this", I mean the lack of confidence in our government and the country's founding principles. People don't take part in the elections because they don't trust them.

At this point it won't matter who becomes President and there is no investigation about the actual election and also about the campaign process.

Who ever is President will never be able to govern. Half the people will refuse that, that person won fair and square. This has been boiling for decades already and this year's election did anything but help with this issue. Actually it just took the amount of gas you can load in one of those ships that transport gas on to an already raging fire. The anger is on both sides. And acting like everything is normal, move along nothing to see here treatment by the media and the government just further adds more anger and resentment.

There is going to be a boiling point soon. This country is divided and broken.

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We don't inhabit this planet alone, even if half of America thinks we do.

AND--if the Senate races lost by Feingold and McGinty were also erroneously awarded to the Republicans along with the presidency, the Senate has two more Democrats and the Vice-Presidency, which would put it back in our camp. So, I say it's worth fighting for.

A ninth Supreme Court justice like Scalia or one like Sotomayor, what's yer preference?

I want Hillary to challenge this!

I want Americans to fight this crap!

I want to fight this! I don't want that vile creature ruining the world. What are we supposed to do!?!

I know what most want to do but no one will dare say it and neither will I, yet. Right now no one wants to think it might come to that. I hope they are right.

But right now, I want to do something anything. Did all the calls, petition signing pass the word telling others to do the same, took part in protests and plan to take part in more protests and yes I voted!

It's not that we won't do anything. I think we don't know what to do so we wait for something to happen.

I wish this would all just be over already. It is so frustrating.

She's probably afraid she'll be thrown in jail by Trump if she does.

Hopefully, someone can talk some sense into her but I doubt it. If she listened to common sense she wouldn't have run to begin with and we'd have a Democratic President because the results would be too overwhelming in terms of numbers for the GrOPers to cheat.

Trump winning? It takes a monumentally unpopular candidate to lose to that hot mess of orange buffoonery.

look into the complaints and do an audit in that manner.

Yes, it is easier if a candidate requests, but there might be other ways.

Maybe Susan Sarandon gives Stein money for her recount. You never know.

I am trying to keep an open mind but it is very frustrating just sitting here watch this nightmare unfold and feel powerless to stop it. It's maddening.

Asking for, no - demanding a re-count would be the best thing she could do.

and should never have been allowed to run as one, that's where the DNC screwed up. He only hung around anyway due to the caucuses and alt-left activist types, which aren't representative of the rank-and-file Dem voter, who overwhelmingly chose Hillary.

Hillary would've defeated Trump very easily as projected (5+ popular vote, 323+ electoral vote) if Comey/FBI/Guiliani didn't violate the Hatch Act with 11 days to go in the election, an unprecedented and egregious act of treason that threw the election to Trump.

US media are probably more terrified than ever of Mr T so until it's handed to them Pulitzer-ready with all the trimmings they are not going to touch this turkey except to kick it.

The US press was terrified on Nixon until he got so goddam arrogant (and Woodward and Bernstein got lucky) that Congress couldn't ignore it any longer.

At this point any US media interest is bound to be of the unhelpful kind but that's nothing new.

His was a different breed--uncompromising, loyalty only to the truth, not to advertising or political favors.

My dad's colleagues were people like Jack Anderson, Helen Thomas, people that couldn't be bought.

Uncle Walter was good, too.

My dad was a print journalist, did very little TV other than a few guest appearance on Meet The Press when the show was really what its title implied, plus a little radio reporting when something affecting St. Lawrence Seaway issues was going on in DC. He was finally inducted into the Gridiron Club in Washington in 1977, one of the achievements he most wanted. He was then president of the Gridiron Club in 1995, and was on top of the world that year. Three years later, during the impeachment of Bill Clinton, he said his profession had perverted into something he no longer recognized.

Was your dad's name one that I would recognize?

Or if you live near Watertown, NY

don't live near upstairs New York.

That was the year the Hillary Gump video was first presented, and to whom it was first shown. As family members, we were all invited to have a little chat session and photo op with one of the other presidents there:

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...........................oh except neo nazis...............

That was back in 1933. It did not turn out well.

I lived in Grafenhausen, Germany for 3 years in the 70s another year at Rhine Mein USAF base.
My bus driver was in the Wehrmacht...WWII .
I get the discontent.

He was drafted off his farm at age 17, returned from Stalingrad at age 18 minus a leg. He hated the fact that he was used as nothing more than cannon fodder.

He was lucky enough to find a good wife, and they became my wife's parents. She grew up in their rural community in the northwestern part of Germany. Her father's most fervent wish was for all his grandchildren to be girls, so they would never be forced into the military like he was. That was a wish that fate ultimately granted him.

and took power in 1933. I thought he did quite well.

Oh wait ... you must be talking about someone else.

You must know some history or something.......

Seriously, I have read and reread accounts of the end of the Weimar Republic: government by decree by President Hindenburg, his reluctant appointment of Hitler as Chancellor (Hindenburg et al. thought they could control him), etc. And I don't understand a word of it.

Namely: no representation in the Parliament if a party got under 5% of the vote. There were so many tiny fringe parties represented in the Reichstag of the Weimarer Republik that when the Bundestag was created after the war, a party had to get at least 5% of the vote to be represented at all.

The thresholds vary. Five percent is probably the most common figure.

The European Parliament threshold is 4% (with some exceptions).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_threshold

Germany and one other country were mentioned when news broke that voter registration data had been hacked prior to the election.

But as you said, it was with the registration. Whether the actual voting tallies were manipulated or not, I don't know, but they do not use electronic voting machines here.

What happened was that on one election day, she went to vote in our town here near Düsseldorf. She was told she couldn't vote here because she lived in Munich, down in Bavaria. She protested that not only did she not live in Munich, but she had NEVER lived in Munich. The voting official said their computer showed her as living in Munich so she couldn't vote here. Quick-thinking, she demanded that they look up our two daughters, then 3 and 5 years old, and see what address they were registered at. Sure enough, they were registered at the proper address here in the Rheinland. She then told the voting official to either call the police and have her arrested for child abandonment, or else let her vote. Seeing they were heading for trouble, they let her vote. She then went to the City Hall and demanded they erase her Munich residence. Whoever hacked into with their system did a good job, because they couldn't manage to erase her "former" Munich residence, but they did manage to move her "back."

If everyone would "Give a #uck and Give a Buck!" to Jill Stein, we could get this recount going.

Hell, I'd give to the orange cheetoh himself if he wanted to do a recount!

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount#_=_

Tried to influence our elections. yes really.

Yes it is worth it, every bit of it.

Let it all come out whatever it is.

I am not one of them.

It makes no sense to me that they so forcefully dismiss it. We need to be able to have confidence in our elections.

They say that the machines can't be hacked because they're not connected to the internet. That is not correct. They don't need a direct connection to the internet to be hacked.

https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2016/09/20/which-voting-machines-can-be-hacked-through-the-internet/

My brother does stuff for DARPA, and he told me--in 2002!!--that if you gave him a cell phone and a laptop, he could make any voting machine give you any result you wanted. The machines run on Windows 2000 with all its vulnerabilities, and do indeed NOT need to be connected to the internet to be manipulated from afar.

With all the sophisticated measures available to the authorities that be, you would think they could come up with just a tad of evidence. Just because "possible" whatever was reported on German TV news doesn't really help our case. We need some proof.

And was reported on German TV was, among other things, printouts of discrepancies in the Wisconsin voting--not "possible" discrepancies, but hard copy. These were posted back in the States, too. That is where the German press picked them up.

Right now on these matters of importance it seems like the foreign press are doing the job that much of our press should be doing.

It's almost as if they care more than we do, although I know from plenty of people back in the States that they care plenty, too.

I had a feeling right from the calling of it that there was something fishy about the results. There is no way that Michigan went for the orange one. I just don't believe it. (I don't think all the votes are even counted yet in Michigan, so there's that.)

I believe that much of our media (especially 24/7 cable news) has let us down, but I am not ready or willing to throw Print and investigative journalists under the bus.

The problem is the cable news noise.

There is too much radio static for people to be able to listen. I am worried for our democracy.

That sounds traceable, criminal, indictable, and very important.

That means there are "choke points" where fraudulent results
were delivered.

Hope they go for it.

Ironic that the "Birtherism President-elect" who questioned Barack Obama's
legitimacy for 8 years is now losing his political legitimacy

Please keep us up to date if you learn more...

See here:

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

At 18:40 Eastern time tonight I looked on line at Welt N24 and the first four reports are about Trump's conflicts of interest, possible manipulation of the vote, the unleashing of the KKK and Nazi sympathizers and Laura Ingraham (possible White House press secretary) going after Elon Musk who was very much against Trump. I wish N24 had US outlets.

And we have to hear about it from overseas. We don't get news on msm. We haven't for years. All more the reason to turn it off.

I hope to God someone is working on it.

DARPA level competence, not some low-level bureaucrat with a cheap Dell who is predestined to come up with nothing.

K&R

Niet te geloven. Of misschien wel!

That is, the Dutch.

Zo ja, ik denk het wel

Wij hebben een maatschappij in Nederland overnomen, en een van onze jonges heet Jeroen.

I never learned to write Nederlands, but I asked our people there to speak it to me slowly until I could understand them and could speak it back. It took me almost two years, but I can speak it fairly well by now, as long as I don't have to deal with dialects from small villages in Belgium.

According to electoral-vote.com, there are five "barely Republican" states, all of which have a margin of 4 percent or less between the two candidates:

Florida: 29 EV
Pennsylvania: 20 EV
NC: 15 EV
Michigan: 16 EV
Wisconsin: 10 EV

Florida plus one other state, or any combination of three states that do not include Florida, will flip the election.

As I said before, this shit would be SO much easier if we weren't dealing with an essentially-solid four-state-wide bright red stripe running straight down the middle of the country. And if it wasn't for Gary Johnson diluting the Trump vote in Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Minnesota, Trump would have won those states too.