2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJill Stein's Recount Fundraiser Is Now On The Front Page of CNN
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If you want to donate and try and make this recount happen, click the link below:
https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount
Even if it all leads to nothing, at least we'll have the satisfaction of knowing.
triron
(22,023 posts)even if hacking were done.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)What do you mean? Like, they'd be able to hide the hack that well, or that the recount wouldn't be looking for hacks?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)WI has voter-verified paper audit trail printers, and PA has electronic no-paper-trail voting, so the audits would be hard but not impossible in PA (they'd have to examine the machines) and less hard in MI and WI:
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)They are the 2 worst companies despite what they are calling themselves these days.
A disputed election in Pennsylvania would be impossible because I can't see any way they could go back to see how people voted and if a machine was hqckef (the older ones can be hacked with magnets)
Pennsylvania's aging voting machines could be 'nightmare scenario' in the event of a disputed election
But computer experts says the old electronic voting machines have a hidden flaw that worries them in the event of a very close election. The machines do not produce a paper ballot or receipt, leaving nothing to be recounted if the election outcome were in doubt, such as in 2000, when the nation awaited anxiously for Florida to reexamine those hanging chads.
The nightmare scenario would be if Pennsylvania decides the election and it is very close. You would have no paper records to do a recount, said Lawrence Norden, deputy director of the Brennan Center for Justices Democracy Program, co-author last year of a report on the risk posed by old voting machines.
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pennsylvania-voting-paperless-20161020-snap-story.html
I don't know if a paper trail is effective but we need to ditch these corrupt electronic voting companies who have shown themselves time again they cannot be trusted.
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AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)but no, they had to make sure Trump got 10X the attention of anyone else because it was so entertaining for them and great for ratings. Made sure it was all about Trump, 24/7. Fucking childish media made him president elect.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)$2,038,014.97
ShakeWell
(28 posts)"...could undercut talk of a Trump mandate"????? wtf election did they just witness? Dems gained seats in house/senate and HRC is going to end up with 2+ million more votes. Who, except desperate ass repubs trying plant a media seed, are saying mandate?
Here's a headline:
"People are so pissed off that the election might have been tampered with by people directed from a foreign government that they've raised $2 million in a day"
SHRED
(28,136 posts)She's hit the motherlode.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)and even I don't believe that. She's not going to take the money and run off to Bermuda.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)For WI alone? That seems astronomical to me, particularly when so many lawyers volunteer their time for elections.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)Here are the filing fees and deadlines for each state:
Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25
Pennsylvania: $0.5 million by Nov 28
Michigan: $0.6 million by Nov 30
Those are filing fees alone. The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.
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So the first $2.2 million is for FILING FEES.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)On the fundraising site she says lawyer fees for WI will be 1 million. She says she needs 2 million by Friday.
WI law specifies that the canvassing board carries out the recount. So why such high lawyer fees?
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)is for filing fees. As far as I know, the target was $2.5 million to cover filing fees.
How do I know why lawyer fees are high?
NBachers
(17,146 posts)a kennedy
(29,711 posts)woman to woman....she's in it for we women that needed her to win.
burrowowl
(17,652 posts)Jill is doing the right thing. Good on her!