2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI can't worry about motive, have to take Stein at her word....
We need a recount... Let's fund it.
How do I KNOW some of these ' I question her motive '. People aren't trolls posting to discourage us?
Just sayin'....
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)She is on the ballot. She can do it. Who cares..motive..... do you think she wants Cheeto to turn America into Nazi Germany.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)She called for it. I guess she's having some buyers remorse now.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)I'm not a Jill supporter, but this will help Hillary and the country. It may eventually expose how flawed our systems are for voting and push for a solution. Like we all vote the same, must have a papertrail, etc.
lame54
(35,326 posts)Win or lose it shows leadership
She will be remembered in 2020
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Frankly, I DO question her motives, but if her selfish reasoning benefits my candidate, fine with me.
I don't take her at her word, but who knows--maybe Mark Cuban put her up to this, and made her an offer she can't refuse?
eppur_se_muova
(36,299 posts)Some find this hard to stomach, bless their hearts.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)for a day now and the horrible, violent, poorly spelled, threatening, hypocritical responses I get from some are truly frightening. But if civil war is coming, then it's coming.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Scruffy1
(3,257 posts)I totally despise this woman for a number of reasons, and yet I really want to see an audit even if the Democratic Party leaders don't seem to give a dam. It seems the typical Democratic response of not fighting back has left a void for her to fill and she's willing to do it. I hope it's about more than redeeming her image. And I want to see a full accounting of where the money goes.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)This is just a blatant attempt at building a donor list, pure and simple. She called Hillary a bad mother on mother's day, led a walkout at the DNC, and spent the entire general saying that Hillary was worse than Trump to anybody that would listen. Jill Stein did not mind a Trump presidency then, she doesn't now. Welcome to the Green Party/Jill Stein donor list though. You will be hearing from them in 3-4 years.
And given how many people are willing to give her a pass for her actions during the election, it looks like it's working. You shouldn't trust everyone who tells you everything you want. That's how we got Trump.
And let's also not forget how Jill Stein pushed the dangerous notion that Hillary got off with the FBI because the fix was in.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I don't know why she has an issue with it, she's part of the crowd that called Trump the better option over Hillary anyway. As I'd said above, I think she's just now getting a dose of buyers remorse after she played her small part in making Trump our reality.
GregD
(2,263 posts)Hello friends.
I used to post a lot back in 2003 when a group of us launched www.verifiedvoting.org. Since then I have been a lurker, reading a lot, never posting. I have something to share and I hope you will read this.
I've been a programmer since the early 70's when we were using punch cards. On a Saturday afternoon in June 2003, while attending a conference in San Francisco's Presidio, I listened to Stanford Professor of Computer Science David Dill. I immediately understood the concerns he was expressing and ran home to review his web site. The next day I informed him that I would be his new webmaster and that I really wasn't going to accept a NO answer. And that's how I spent the next year, building the VV site, working with other volunteers, and generally diving neck deep into the subject of these scourge voting machines. I just mention this so that you understand that I've spent some serious time in the trenches of what we all referred to back then as BBV.
Here is one of the greatest problems with the electronic voting systems. All of the software is corporate-controlled, protected under copyright law. Nobody gets to look at the code, certainly not we members of the public. As a coder, I can tell you that having complete secrecy over the programming of those systems, a junior programmer could place simple IF/ELSE logic into these systems to cause a specified outcome (along with operating absolutely precisely during pre-election testing processes). Now it's probably not exactly that simple, as there is something called a "ballot definition file" which might also have to be tampered with. My friend Ellen who also worked on that project (for much longer than I did) reminded me of that in recent days.
But what I'm pointing out is that with the veil of complete secrecy, these machines are just too easily rigged. Have a look at Bev Harris' article on Fractional Magic http://blackboxvoting.org. That's some scary shit! And when you operate in secret, this is what becomes possible...
The election integrity movement failed to gain traction back in the 2004 cycle, and little got done about educating the wider populace about concerns over BBV. As polarizing as BushCo might have been, the limited recounts that were performed failed to reveal wide-spread issues, and we got stuck with him for another 4 years. And over time, things have only gotten worse.
The greatest gift that Trump may have given us (as if he has been any sort of "gift" is that he has so violently polarized much of the nation that the results of the election has EVERYONE'S attention. It is with that level of polarization and attention that we need to strike hard and reveal the absolute insanity of paperless un-auditable voting systems, and corporate controlled software.
It is absolutely critical that Stein's recount efforts be embraced with massive enthusiasm and every dollar we can push their way. The good news is that this does seem to be what is happening.
I don't think this is likely to change the outcome of the election, and that would be amazing if it did. But if the outcome were that Stein's efforts helped to ensure that future elections were conducted in a manner that was fair and protected us from automated election steals, that would be a good damn deal.
So please, support the recount. Maybe not for the purpose of offsetting this monster who will soon lead our nation, but to help assure that our children and grandchildren can grow up not having to continue this fight for election results that can be trusted to be reliable, and that can be verified. What that solution might eventually be, I'm not sure. But now is the time for the nation to learn the hard truth about how screwed up the current system is so that they will understand the need to demand a better solution. We need to push this recount forward every inch that we can achieve. Perhaps we'll even prove that his Trumpness is as illegitimate as many of us recognize.
Make sense?
tavalon
(27,985 posts)In 2004, but the momentum just wasn't there.
This time the recounts are happening. 4.5 million dollars raised to fund the recounts in at least three anomalous States.
They are nearing 4.9M this morning and every few minutes it seems to go up another $10k or so.
Ya think people are a bit enthusiastic at seeing this press forward?
tavalon
(27,985 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)I contributed and she has already filed in three states.