Feingold was ahead by 1% the week before the election and lost by 3%. If they find out there was fraud and we are still stuck with Johnson, that really sucks.

While I hope Clinton somehow gets in, I'm moving on, not expecting a miracle or a reduction in the conspiracy theories that make us sound like Birthers or something. Hope I have to eat crow.

I worked on the HFA Nevada campaign. We worked to get democrats to vote. We got those democrats to vote. Those democrats voted as they said they were going to vote. We built up EV advantages going into the election. What happened on election day? Just what we thought would happen. Clockwork. Republicans showed up on proportion to how many were left and they voted, along with democrats who said they were going to vote on election day.

Just like Obama held out to win, Hillary won. No party flipping. No educated angry women democratic movement that flipped their party vote for Donald. No surprises.

Hillary had operations just like this all across the country, I imagine in every swing state. Florida had their ground operations going along, I read some of the HFA people chime in about how hard they were working there too.

So how did voter turnout completely breakdown in enough other key states whereas it DID NOT BREAK DOWN AT ALL here in Nevada??? Are we so different? We're purple, divided just like Pennsylvania. We were purple before. The polls showed we were purple. On election day we were purple. And after the election we're still purple. Rurals didn't come out of the woodwork for Donald and democratic rurals didn't vote for Donald.


One possible difference. We use electronic voting machines with recorded paper backup rolls. When my vote is audited, they can verify that I said I tapped my vote for HRC. After I voted the paper record was printed and I verified it. It shows that Democrat me voted for Democrat Hillary. If necessary, the SoS could then come to me and ask me how I voted and I could substantiate everything that was recorded on paper and that ties out to the machine totals. I don't believe the three states in question use these same kinds of machines.

And in Philadelphia they used a paperless machine.

The voting machines record a manual tally of each vote. That's printed out at the end of the day and everyone (Dems, Reps, election board, etc) gets copies of the printouts. As soon as the vote tallies are printed, the machines are locked and sealed and certified so by the precinct's election board. If there needs to be a manual recount, the machines can be opened up by the election commission and the votes recounted.

The electronic voting machines record the votes exactly like the lever machines, for which there was no paper printout either.

The only ones recommended by election security organizations and computer scientists are paper ballots w/optical scanners; and electronic machines that produce a paper record of each vote that a voter can verify at the time.

Of course, all the paper won't make it more reliable UNLESS there is an audit procedure afterwards.

Clinton campaign did NO outreach to voters outside of Philadelphia and Allegheney counties. There were the few campaign stops after the DNC and Biden went to Scranton and Bill visited once outside of Allegheney county, but that was it. HRC did not even go to Penn State and play up the fact that her father and brother(s) not only graduated from, but played football there. Had she gone there and just mentioned everything the Paternos have done for the school (regardless of what you think), she'd have gotten votes for that alone.

In 2012, Obama had a campaign office in the town where I live doing voter outreach. When I looked on her website for the closest campaign office, it was just the local Dem party office in a different town. I truly felt she wrote off western and rural Pa and just counted on huge margins in the SE and Phila, which she got, to win. She was too dependent on TV ads to reach voters outside the urban areas.

She certainly could have gotten on her campaign bus and rolled through some of the old mill towns like Washington, Jeannette, Clairton, Uniontown, Sharon, Farrell, New Castle, Aliquippa, Erie and so on. Even if they only got small crowds at least she could have gotten her plans out there and local news coverage of them. When Tom Wolf, not exactly Mr Charisma, ran for governor, he got in his Jeep and drove around the state and met voters. It was well received. HRC's campaign could have done the same.

In the prior to presidential elections here in western PA, I got phone calls asking me if I was voting or had voted. There was absolutely nothing, no GOTV, no calls, nothing to ensure Dems supporting HRC got out and voted for her this time around. I found it odd given all the hoopla over the "ground game". Her message just simply never really got out to people who might have been persuaded or energized to vote for her.

And she was 9 points ahead in the polls when Comey dropped his first letter bomb, and then it plunged to 2.

Did you predict Comey, too? If so, you really are a genius.

Yes, I know the polls showed her with a good lead, but her campaign might have noticed the votes Sanders got in the primary in the small and rural counties that ultimately produced Trump's win. Sanders beat her in many of these areas with essentially the same message from the left as Trump sent on the right. She could have chosen to have Sanders campaign in some of these areas or she could have set aside a couple days to just hit the small towns instead of expanding the map.

and destroy all the plans she had made. Her poll lead went from an average of 9 points to 2. That's why she lost PA and the other close states.

I've worked as an election officer, and it's incredibly hectic in the hours after the polls close, especially the first hour to hour and a half. Math on tally sheets gets messed up, the clerks at county election HQ transpose numbers as they write them, or the callers transpose numbers as they're call them in, votes get put in wrong columns, numbers get botched when they're put on the websites, etc.

I'm surprised that counties even put unofficial numbers up any more, given that their accused of vote theft whenever someone finds an error, and then they're further excoriated when they correct the errors.

in hoping to eat crow but expecting to see final results unchanged, I have not "moved on" in the sense that I simply will never consider DT to be a legitimate President-elect, whatever happens in the EC, because Hillary won the popular vote by 2.3 million votes and climbing. That is a SOLID margin and indicates that the majority of American voters did NOT vote for the candidate of hatred, racism, sexism, bigotry and all other deplorables..

I know that we have a f**king EC system and I am sure that the results were "rigged" in at least some key states. There is just too much evidence of past rigging behavior by the GOP through various means and too many other variables that simply do not add up otherwise. But if the recounts don't change the outcome and there is also an audit that doesn't change the results so that Hillary wins, then I have no choice but to accede to the f**ked up system we have. But I will continue to do everything I can to change that system NOW - not just wait until 2020 for this sorry system to steal an election from us once again.

I will never refer to DT as the President - EVER - and I will criticize every word he says or action he takes that reinforce my view of his being the lowest of the low. I will do this until I draw my last breath.

before the process even begins.

the clerks don't even bother with anything dramatic. They'll just throw things away, pre-select "random" samples for audit or flat out refuse to produce what you ask for. We've had 16 years to get familiar with their shit.

any reports of more votes tallied than ballots cast should cause an automatic audit. There has to be some integrity somewhere.

out of the recount. Motherfuckers may be in for some egg. Don't back down! Full speed ahead!

That thread is a hoot!

And Brownback won in Kansas even though he has trashed the state and even
the Republicans didn't like him?

I think Judge Kloppenburg won the first time( votes found in the trunk of an R clerk's car trunk). Just happened to be the same amount she lost by. They have been doing this successfully for years. Now, the entire country is watching and they are scrambling. Walker and Kochs have been cheating legally and illegally for 5-6 years. It worked!! So they thought they would take it national with other states.