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Why is Michigan still 'too close to call'? (Original Post) milestogo Nov 2016 OP
It's not SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #1
ok I found it milestogo Nov 2016 #2
Bottom line Stein and Johnson were spoilers resulting in Clinton bigdarryl Nov 2016 #10
The right to vote means voting for whomever you want. milestogo Nov 2016 #11
I think they finished it yesterday and gave it to drumpf. Hillary lost by 10K I believe. KewlKat Nov 2016 #3
Imagine if they were hand counted? MichMan Nov 2016 #4
I think there should be a paper trail. milestogo Nov 2016 #5
Why would you think hand counting is more accurate? MichMan Nov 2016 #6
Two different types of accuracy FBaggins Nov 2016 #7
Couldn't agree more SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
Its not that hand counting is more accurate than machine counting milestogo Nov 2016 #9
 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
10. Bottom line Stein and Johnson were spoilers resulting in Clinton
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 08:01 AM
Nov 2016

Losing that state people tried to tell these dumb ass voters who normally vote democrat this would happen.But they didn't listen and now for four or eight years they will pay the price as to what's getting ready to happen to this country

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
11. The right to vote means voting for whomever you want.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:39 AM
Nov 2016

Some people will never accept being forced into the two party choice. I can't blame those voters any more than Trump voters.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
3. I think they finished it yesterday and gave it to drumpf. Hillary lost by 10K I believe.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:45 AM
Nov 2016

edited to add link to article on outcome of MI.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/23/donald-trump-wins-michigan-votes/94360852/

The numbers are in: Trump wins Michigan by 10,704

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
4. Imagine if they were hand counted?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:36 AM
Nov 2016

Question to all of those who believe we should require all ballots be hand counted.

How long do you think it would take to do so?

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
5. I think there should be a paper trail.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:44 AM
Nov 2016

Where I vote we mark paper ballots that are run through a scanner.

The length of time it would take to count all ballots by hand depends on how many people you have doing it. For something as important as this, I would be willing to wait.

I put speed of results as a much lower value than accuracy.

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
6. Why would you think hand counting is more accurate?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:53 AM
Nov 2016

Give 100 people a box of widgets holding a few hundred pieces and see how many different answers you get.

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
7. Two different types of accuracy
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:56 AM
Nov 2016

The frequency of miscounts per precinct would go up, but the magnitude of those errors would be small... while the possibility of multi-thousand-vote errors would be tiny. Systematic "errors" intended to steal an election would be almost impossible.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
8. Couldn't agree more
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:59 AM
Nov 2016

Hand counting ballots is asking for both errors and fraud.

However, I do believe that before any election is certified, there should be a representative sampling of ballots that are hand counted and compared to the machine tabulated counts.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
9. Its not that hand counting is more accurate than machine counting
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:52 AM
Nov 2016

but that paper ballots give you evidence of the vote. Electronic voting machines give you no way of verifying if the votes are real or not.

I do believe that hacking went on during this election.

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