2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumStein has changed the goal to 7 million dollars
Which is now at the high end of the 6-7 million dollars she claims is needed for the recounts.
Does anyone seriously think that Jill is not using this fundraiser as a way to raise money for the Green Party itself?
Even the fundraising website itself says that the total cost of the filing fees for all three states is just over two million dollars.
The site estimates attorney fees at a range of two to three million dollars - which even at the high end would be about five million dollars. Then she mentions other vague expenses, putting their estimated total for the "likely cost" at six to seven million.
They are asking now for the high end of that estimate.
This is a person and a party who actively and aggressively did everything in their power to make sure Hillary Clinton was not elected president.
The website explicitly says that any additional funds raised will go to "promote voting system reform" - which is something that they say the Green Party itself does. Thus, keeping the money for the party could be construed to constitute such an effort.
Hopefully people are able to see that Jill is capitalizing on this situation to raise money for the Green Party.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)I am not worried at all about what Jill Stein is going to do with the money
I sent her. At least she is making the effort. Stop picking on her.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)I sent her some money.
We desperately need election integrity and fairness in
this sorry excuse of a corporate oligarchy.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Except that Taitz, never in her wildest dreams, could've hoped to have raised so much money so fast.
Birthers are just a little more tight-fisted with their money than recounters are.
bigmonkey
(1,798 posts)Really, why?
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)I gave the Democratic Party a lot more money than this small amount I have given to the Greens to push these recounts. If the green party pushes hard and rightfully gain some transparency, they will gain my respect and appreciation. If they don't, it would just be typical BS.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)We could pick another senate seat! It's where our efforts should concentrate
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/801845450747711488
Omaha Steve
(99,653 posts)His campaign's direct link doesn't have a goal o meter: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/fostercampellforsenatedonate
IF there is enough interest I will create a DU for Campbell link.
To use any of the links below click here: https://secure.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/44025
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EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Instead of throwing money away to spoiler candidates with pie-in-the-sky promises of magical election do-overs?
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)it does not have to be one or the other.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)A recount is good, as it may show discrepancies, and could even change the outcome of the election (though highly unlikely). Stein is the only one doing the recount, so we don't have much choice but to support her effort. If she abuses the money too badly, she'll discredit the Green Party. If the Green Party chooses to make election reform the central tenet of their Party, I'd be all for it, and might even vote for them in elections where my vote didn't really matter.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)They were nothing more than spoilers.And now she wants money for a recount what fucking nerve not giving one cent to this idiot
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)I'm very interested to see how close the recount is to the final total. We need to make sure their was no tampering.
State officials are readying for an unprecedented potential recount of Wisconsins presidential election after Green Party candidate Jill Stein, citing concerns with the legitimacy of the results, told the commission her campaign will request one.
In a possible final twist to an election filled with surprises, Steins campaign said Wednesday it intends to request recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, the three states that tipped the electoral college to Republican Donald Trump.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections-commission-preps-for-recount-of-wisconsin-presidential-election/article_87dae9e3-76ad-5ecb-973a-51006668ab74.html
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A recount is great. It won't change the results, but it's a good thing to do.
What's not great is the fact that people have donated millions of dollars to a political party that actively and aggressively worked against Hillary Clinton for president and will continue to do the same against other Democrats with the very money that they are be given by said Democrats.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)kebob
(499 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And she hasn't filed yet.
Wisconsin Elections ?@WI_Elections 2h2 hours ago
A recount petition has not yet been received by @WI_Elections from Jill Stein campaign. Deadline 5pm. We will issue press release when filed
jimlup
(7,968 posts)what the hell? I guess she's incompetent and didn't actually know how much was needed when she started - OR - it is just a massive scam.
This is kinda like something Jimmy Swaggart or Donald Trump would pull. I contributed back when it was only 10% of proposed 2 million. Now I am sorry that I did.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)From the beginning she estimated 6-7 million. The goals change as they meet the requirements one state at a time.
It's not like it's mandatory for anyone to donate.
Many of us are willing to donate to make up for those who can't or won't.
All the negativity is silly.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)You're welcome.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Ruth Bonner
(192 posts)Maybe not all 3. I'm hoping like hell that each state runs its recount in a very careful, quick manner so the results are in "on time" - no matter the performance of Stein's staff / supporters. I think we need to get serious about verifying results of elections. We worked to flee from DRE's, so now we have a voter verified paper trail and our trust in elections remains painfully low. We need to perform automatic recounts of all counties all the time. You know... hand counted paper ballots...just with a quick initial total. If everyone knows the hand count will occur immediately after each election, attempts at cheating should be somewhat inhibited. If the Green Party wants to make the point that discrepancies exist, i'm behind them... to the tune of $50.
Hillary taking the election would be a miracle. I will not allow myself to hope until at least one state has flipped.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The goals change as they meet the requirements of each state, starting with Friday's deadline for Wisconsin.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Pretty sure she isn't giving it back to the donators.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Again, I'm happy to do it for the good of the country.
If you don't want to donate, no one is going to force you. It's not mandatory.
And being as how this is the only way we will ever get any answers, the only way that anyone will be able to examine what happened, I just don't get the negativity. It's only from a couple of posters, but accusations of this being a scam and calling folks gullible is a sure fire way to keep us fired up.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As a Democrat (and on a board that I believe is also filled with Democrats), the idea of giving money to people and parties that actively and aggressively work to defeat my (our?) party and candidates is something that I will speak out against.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)Jill has worked for election reform in Mass in the past and it seems to be a big issue with her. She said any money not used would go toward election reform.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She estimated 6-7 million. If she thought she needed more, why would she say 6-7?
Also "election reform" is an issue that the Green Party ostensible fights for. Thus, keeping the money in the Green Party could constitute spending the money on election reform.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Congratulations on meeting the recount costs for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania! Raising money to pay for the first two recounts so quickly is a miraculous feat and a tribute to the power of grassroots organizing.
Now that we have completed funding Wisconsin's recount (where we will file on Friday) and funding Pennsylvania's recount (due Monday), we will focus on raising the needed funds for Michigan's recount (due Wednesday). The breakdown of these costs is described below!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Look at the state laws.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)She has raised double that so far. Now I do think she will file for recounts but the filing but she can keep and use the rest of the funds for 2020. Not to mention a list of hundreds thousand potential donors.
If the filing are rejected then the costs would go down even further yet she will keep all the funds. Hell she might end up banking more funding for 2020 election before it starts than she did for entire 2016 election.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)If she uses the money to go for a re-count, excellent.
If she does something else with the money, that will be the end of her perpetual quest for the Presidency.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As she has done her entire political career. And most recently and aggressively against Hillary Clinton.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)there won't be any legal repercussions?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)to do all three states and do it right. Hiring enough good attorneys and screening and training volunteers quickly will be expensive.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)I don't think money is really the issue. They will be able to show groundswell and that this is more or less a grassroots effort. Much more effective and if this flips the election it gives Hillary some distance from it. Even if it fails it gives her distance.
athena
(4,187 posts)that all kinds of people are donating money to have a recount in the closest states? If nothing else, it shows that people care about making sure that their democracy works the way it's supposed to.
As for those who think that people who donated hundreds or thousands of dollars for Jill Stein to request a recount will not be outraged and sue Jill Stein if she does not request a recount, they are just too suspicious for their own good. My husband calls this sort of thing "the culture of fear".
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She'd have to go to court. So if she loses in court where will the rest of the money go?
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)And yeah, I'll be curious as to how she'll make the case for recounts in MI & PA.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Which means she could presumably just keep the money for Green party if she loses in court and doesn't get the recounts.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Personally, I am happy to contribute to a fund that is working to ensure the integrity of the election process. And I believe there will be recounts. I doubt that the results will change, but at least the people will know that someone cares enough about their votes to make sure they were counted.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)My understanding she has to go to court to get those.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)And that is so overdue that we are here today needing to recount.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)They say that after every election and nothing changes.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)At least take a moment to look at how things work in each state.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)As iif I did not know that!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Which I guess you already knew that?
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)You're going to be accused of discouraging people from supporting a recount.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Recounts. Any 3 voters in a precinct can request a recount. And so far enough are.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Presumably with the money needed for the recount? I guess I will believe it when I see it.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)NO RECOUNT = RUSSIA PLEASE PLEASE CHOOSE OUR GOVERNMENT!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)The more she has the better to afford the recount.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She estimated that it could cost between 6 and 7 million.
Her "goal" is now 7 million.
What happens if it only winds up costing 6 million and she raises 7?
Where does that other million go?
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I just am doing my part to try to discourage people from giving money to Jill Stein and the Green Party in light of the fact that they stand against the Democratic Party and actively fought to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president, and are now taking advantage of that loss to raise more money for themselves.
Liberal In Texas
(13,554 posts)You have nothing but your idle speculation to back up your assertions.
Let's give this a chance. It may be a slim chance, but it's a chance.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)to even allow recounts.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She said any additional funds would be spent towards promoting fairer voting systems, which is what she claims the Green Party does.
She also says there is no guarantee that there will be any recounts, and she will not be giving back the money if that is the case.
RandySF
(58,874 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)This is such a transparent attempt to fundraise for the Green Party.
There are so many great organizations out there to donate money.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)I think money is well spent auditing our elections. Why would you not think that???????
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Giving money to her is helping to advance her continued agenda.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Cost of Election
Cycle - Total Cost of Election - Congressional Races
2012* $6,285,557,223 $3,664,141,430
2014 $3,845,393,700 $3,845,393,700
2016* $6,917,636,161 $4,266,514,050
results for cost of 2016 election
healthnut7
(249 posts)I hope she is raising money for what she said she is! Sounds kind of suspicious to keep upping the amount??
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)people are throwing money into a black hole
People like me face losing everything because of disease and 50 K would make all the difference in the world but this effort is making millions and it won't change drumpth from being president
https://www.gofundme.com/pamelas-crohns-disease-relief
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Her role in disseminating lies from RT, and obsecuring the real important issues Dems need to focus on to win- including voter suppression and gerrymandering.
That she is furthering Russia's aims of creating chaos and distrust for our system and still working for RT.
The only silver lining is that the Russians may now screw with the Donald. I don't know, it's all so surreal.