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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:54 AM Nov 2016

Stein has changed the goal to 7 million dollars

Which is now at the high end of the 6-7 million dollars she claims is needed for the recounts.

Does anyone seriously think that Jill is not using this fundraiser as a way to raise money for the Green Party itself?

Even the fundraising website itself says that the total cost of the filing fees for all three states is just over two million dollars.

The site estimates attorney fees at a range of two to three million dollars - which even at the high end would be about five million dollars. Then she mentions other vague expenses, putting their estimated total for the "likely cost" at six to seven million.

They are asking now for the high end of that estimate.

This is a person and a party who actively and aggressively did everything in their power to make sure Hillary Clinton was not elected president.

The website explicitly says that any additional funds raised will go to "promote voting system reform" - which is something that they say the Green Party itself does. Thus, keeping the money for the party could be construed to constitute such an effort.

Hopefully people are able to see that Jill is capitalizing on this situation to raise money for the Green Party.

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Stein has changed the goal to 7 million dollars (Original Post) oberliner Nov 2016 OP
I've donated 20 times as much to the Democratic party as I have for this recount. BigBearJohn Nov 2016 #1
this! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #24
Ditto ananda Nov 2016 #29
Jill Stein is looking more like Orly Taitz every day. EL34x4 Nov 2016 #2
Shaming anyone asking for a recount? bigmonkey Nov 2016 #58
I was thinking Oral Roberts robbedvoter Nov 2016 #66
... CatWoman Nov 2016 #3
I am not worried. As long as she files for a recount and sees that the recount is actually performed UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #4
May I remind people eager to donate that there is a senate race in LA? robbedvoter Nov 2016 #5
The direct Act Blue links to donate to Foster Campbell Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #6
1 MadLinguist Nov 2016 #18
Focusing on contests where Democrats can actually win? Now there's a novel idea. EL34x4 Nov 2016 #19
Gee we cannot possibly walk and chew gum at the same time! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #53
I donated to Foster Campbell and Jill Stein's recount womanofthehills Nov 2016 #34
She's the only one doing the recount Onlooker Nov 2016 #7
Jill Stein can go to HELL!! she and Johnson cost Clinton to lose some states because bigdarryl Nov 2016 #8
Why would you not want a recount? No one else is stepping up to do one. womanofthehills Nov 2016 #30
The issue is Jill Stein using people's desire for HRC to be POTUS to raise cash for the Green Party oberliner Nov 2016 #41
Fools and their money... Nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #9
Smelling a Rat kebob Nov 2016 #10
Isn't deadline today for Wisconsin? LisaL Nov 2016 #11
An hour to go oberliner Nov 2016 #72
I'm alarmed to see the number moving up without her saying she will do the recount jimlup Nov 2016 #12
Or she stated clearly what the filing fees and estimated attorney fees are. JTFrog Nov 2016 #15
this! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #27
You have motivated me to donate again! JTFrog Nov 2016 #13
this! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #28
I'm counting on them to do recounts... Ruth Bonner Nov 2016 #14
She estimated from the beginning 6-7 million. JTFrog Nov 2016 #16
If she raises 7 and the fees only total 6 what does she do with the other million? oberliner Nov 2016 #43
I don't want my money back. JTFrog Nov 2016 #52
I don't want people giving money to Republicans or Greens oberliner Nov 2016 #69
She will probably need more than 7 million with all the lawyers and workers involved womanofthehills Nov 2016 #63
That was the high end of her estimate oberliner Nov 2016 #71
From the web site: UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #17
Pennsylvania isn't doing a recount oberliner Nov 2016 #44
Of course it is. She raised less than 3M for 2016 campaign. Statistical Nov 2016 #20
I see this as a win/win Txbluedog Nov 2016 #21
The "something else" she will do with the money is "continue to run against and attack Democrats" oberliner Nov 2016 #45
You think if she fundraises under false pretenses Txbluedog Nov 2016 #62
In other words, Wi, MI and PA are on. Great news and best of luck getting what is needed Coyotl Nov 2016 #22
Yes and 7 million seems low. I woul estimate up to twice that if they go all the way. Dream Girl Nov 2016 #23
Precisely. And how exactly does it hurt athena Nov 2016 #31
As far as I can tell, she might not even be able to get a recount in MI or PA. LisaL Nov 2016 #32
She says she'll use it for voting integrity efforts SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #33
Which supposedly is one of the goals of Green party. LisaL Nov 2016 #37
Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #38
From the site: athena Nov 2016 #35
There is no guarantee whatsoever that there will be recounts in MI and PA. LisaL Nov 2016 #39
No matter the outcome, election reform will now be a national issue. That is good. Coyotl Nov 2016 #42
No it won't oberliner Nov 2016 #73
Pennsylvania is not doing a recount oberliner Nov 2016 #46
nitpick Coyotl Nov 2016 #48
A candidate cant actually file for a vote recount under Pennsylvania law. oberliner Nov 2016 #51
Stop with the facts please SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #55
The money ia to support the hundreds of voters who are requesting Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #57
These people need to be ready by Monday. LisaL Nov 2016 #61
RECOUNT equals RUSSIA RETHINKS NEXT TIME B4 HACKING OUR ELECTION! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #25
She stated in the fundraising site she'd need 7 million all along. Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #26
No she didn't oberliner Nov 2016 #47
It's a chance I am (& many others are) willingly taking. Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #50
Understood oberliner Nov 2016 #70
I seriously think she is NOT USING IT TO RAISE FUNDS for the Green Party itself. Liberal In Texas Nov 2016 #36
My understanding is, she can get recount in WI but in MI and PA she will have to convince the courts LisaL Nov 2016 #40
Without question, she is oberliner Nov 2016 #49
Money is better spent giving to ACLU, Planned Parenthood, etc. RandySF Nov 2016 #54
Agreed oberliner Nov 2016 #56
People can give money to multiple causes womanofthehills Nov 2016 #64
Jill Stein is an avowed enemy of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party oberliner Nov 2016 #68
Cost of Election 2016 6,917,636,161.00 Coyotl Nov 2016 #59
WOW!! healthnut7 Nov 2016 #60
2 more hours left to file in WI, but they say robbedvoter Nov 2016 #65
it wont matter demtenjeep Nov 2016 #67
Reid is saying that this is deflecting from the "real hack" Russia and Wikileaks.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #74

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
1. I've donated 20 times as much to the Democratic party as I have for this recount.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:40 AM
Nov 2016

I am not worried at all about what Jill Stein is going to do with the money
I sent her. At least she is making the effort. Stop picking on her.

ananda

(28,864 posts)
29. Ditto
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:48 AM
Nov 2016

I sent her some money.

We desperately need election integrity and fairness in
this sorry excuse of a corporate oligarchy.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
2. Jill Stein is looking more like Orly Taitz every day.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:50 AM
Nov 2016

Except that Taitz, never in her wildest dreams, could've hoped to have raised so much money so fast.

Birthers are just a little more tight-fisted with their money than recounters are.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
4. I am not worried. As long as she files for a recount and sees that the recount is actually performed
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:57 AM
Nov 2016

I gave the Democratic Party a lot more money than this small amount I have given to the Greens to push these recounts. If the green party pushes hard and rightfully gain some transparency, they will gain my respect and appreciation. If they don't, it would just be typical BS.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
5. May I remind people eager to donate that there is a senate race in LA?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:18 AM
Nov 2016

We could pick another senate seat! It's where our efforts should concentrate
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/801845450747711488

Omaha Steve

(99,653 posts)
6. The direct Act Blue links to donate to Foster Campbell
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:31 AM
Nov 2016

His campaign's direct link doesn't have a goal o meter: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/fostercampellforsenatedonate

IF there is enough interest I will create a DU for Campbell link.

To use any of the links below click here: https://secure.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/44025





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EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
19. Focusing on contests where Democrats can actually win? Now there's a novel idea.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:49 AM
Nov 2016

Instead of throwing money away to spoiler candidates with pie-in-the-sky promises of magical election do-overs?

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
7. She's the only one doing the recount
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:49 AM
Nov 2016

A recount is good, as it may show discrepancies, and could even change the outcome of the election (though highly unlikely). Stein is the only one doing the recount, so we don't have much choice but to support her effort. If she abuses the money too badly, she'll discredit the Green Party. If the Green Party chooses to make election reform the central tenet of their Party, I'd be all for it, and might even vote for them in elections where my vote didn't really matter.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
8. Jill Stein can go to HELL!! she and Johnson cost Clinton to lose some states because
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 08:03 AM
Nov 2016

They were nothing more than spoilers.And now she wants money for a recount what fucking nerve not giving one cent to this idiot

womanofthehills

(8,712 posts)
30. Why would you not want a recount? No one else is stepping up to do one.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:30 AM
Nov 2016

I'm very interested to see how close the recount is to the final total. We need to make sure their was no tampering.


Elections Commission preps for recount of Wisconsin presidential election

State officials are readying for an unprecedented potential recount of Wisconsin’s presidential election after Green Party candidate Jill Stein, citing concerns with the legitimacy of the results, told the commission her campaign will request one.

In a possible final twist to an election filled with surprises, Stein’s campaign said Wednesday it intends to request recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, the three states that tipped the electoral college to Republican Donald Trump.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections-commission-preps-for-recount-of-wisconsin-presidential-election/article_87dae9e3-76ad-5ecb-973a-51006668ab74.html
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. The issue is Jill Stein using people's desire for HRC to be POTUS to raise cash for the Green Party
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:26 PM
Nov 2016

A recount is great. It won't change the results, but it's a good thing to do.

What's not great is the fact that people have donated millions of dollars to a political party that actively and aggressively worked against Hillary Clinton for president and will continue to do the same against other Democrats with the very money that they are be given by said Democrats.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
72. An hour to go
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:22 PM
Nov 2016

And she hasn't filed yet.

Wisconsin Elections ?@WI_Elections 2h2 hours ago
A recount petition has not yet been received by @WI_Elections from Jill Stein campaign. Deadline 5pm. We will issue press release when filed

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
12. I'm alarmed to see the number moving up without her saying she will do the recount
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:16 AM
Nov 2016

what the hell? I guess she's incompetent and didn't actually know how much was needed when she started - OR - it is just a massive scam.

This is kinda like something Jimmy Swaggart or Donald Trump would pull. I contributed back when it was only 10% of proposed 2 million. Now I am sorry that I did.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
15. Or she stated clearly what the filing fees and estimated attorney fees are.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:24 AM
Nov 2016

From the beginning she estimated 6-7 million. The goals change as they meet the requirements one state at a time.

It's not like it's mandatory for anyone to donate.

Many of us are willing to donate to make up for those who can't or won't.

All the negativity is silly.

Ruth Bonner

(192 posts)
14. I'm counting on them to do recounts...
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:22 AM
Nov 2016

Maybe not all 3. I'm hoping like hell that each state runs its recount in a very careful, quick manner so the results are in "on time" - no matter the performance of Stein's staff / supporters. I think we need to get serious about verifying results of elections. We worked to flee from DRE's, so now we have a voter verified paper trail and our trust in elections remains painfully low. We need to perform automatic recounts of all counties all the time. You know... hand counted paper ballots...just with a quick initial total. If everyone knows the hand count will occur immediately after each election, attempts at cheating should be somewhat inhibited. If the Green Party wants to make the point that discrepancies exist, i'm behind them... to the tune of $50.

Hillary taking the election would be a miracle. I will not allow myself to hope until at least one state has flipped.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
16. She estimated from the beginning 6-7 million.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:28 AM
Nov 2016

The goals change as they meet the requirements of each state, starting with Friday's deadline for Wisconsin.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
43. If she raises 7 and the fees only total 6 what does she do with the other million?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:54 PM
Nov 2016

Pretty sure she isn't giving it back to the donators.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
52. I don't want my money back.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:05 PM
Nov 2016

Again, I'm happy to do it for the good of the country.

If you don't want to donate, no one is going to force you. It's not mandatory.

And being as how this is the only way we will ever get any answers, the only way that anyone will be able to examine what happened, I just don't get the negativity. It's only from a couple of posters, but accusations of this being a scam and calling folks gullible is a sure fire way to keep us fired up.



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
69. I don't want people giving money to Republicans or Greens
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:07 PM
Nov 2016

As a Democrat (and on a board that I believe is also filled with Democrats), the idea of giving money to people and parties that actively and aggressively work to defeat my (our?) party and candidates is something that I will speak out against.

womanofthehills

(8,712 posts)
63. She will probably need more than 7 million with all the lawyers and workers involved
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:14 PM
Nov 2016

Jill has worked for election reform in Mass in the past and it seems to be a big issue with her. She said any money not used would go toward election reform.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
71. That was the high end of her estimate
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:10 PM
Nov 2016

She estimated 6-7 million. If she thought she needed more, why would she say 6-7?

Also "election reform" is an issue that the Green Party ostensible fights for. Thus, keeping the money in the Green Party could constitute spending the money on election reform.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
17. From the web site:
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:29 AM
Nov 2016

Congratulations on meeting the recount costs for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania! Raising money to pay for the first two recounts so quickly is a miraculous feat and a tribute to the power of grassroots organizing.

Now that we have completed funding Wisconsin's recount (where we will file on Friday) and funding Pennsylvania's recount (due Monday), we will focus on raising the needed funds for Michigan's recount (due Wednesday). The breakdown of these costs is described below!

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
20. Of course it is. She raised less than 3M for 2016 campaign.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:52 AM
Nov 2016

She has raised double that so far. Now I do think she will file for recounts but the filing but she can keep and use the rest of the funds for 2020. Not to mention a list of hundreds thousand potential donors.

If the filing are rejected then the costs would go down even further yet she will keep all the funds. Hell she might end up banking more funding for 2020 election before it starts than she did for entire 2016 election.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
21. I see this as a win/win
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:59 AM
Nov 2016

If she uses the money to go for a re-count, excellent.

If she does something else with the money, that will be the end of her perpetual quest for the Presidency.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
45. The "something else" she will do with the money is "continue to run against and attack Democrats"
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Nov 2016

As she has done her entire political career. And most recently and aggressively against Hillary Clinton.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
22. In other words, Wi, MI and PA are on. Great news and best of luck getting what is needed
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:03 AM
Nov 2016

to do all three states and do it right. Hiring enough good attorneys and screening and training volunteers quickly will be expensive.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
23. Yes and 7 million seems low. I woul estimate up to twice that if they go all the way.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:35 AM
Nov 2016

I don't think money is really the issue. They will be able to show groundswell and that this is more or less a grassroots effort. Much more effective and if this flips the election it gives Hillary some distance from it. Even if it fails it gives her distance.

athena

(4,187 posts)
31. Precisely. And how exactly does it hurt
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:54 AM
Nov 2016

that all kinds of people are donating money to have a recount in the closest states? If nothing else, it shows that people care about making sure that their democracy works the way it's supposed to.

As for those who think that people who donated hundreds or thousands of dollars for Jill Stein to request a recount will not be outraged and sue Jill Stein if she does not request a recount, they are just too suspicious for their own good. My husband calls this sort of thing "the culture of fear".

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
32. As far as I can tell, she might not even be able to get a recount in MI or PA.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:56 AM
Nov 2016

She'd have to go to court. So if she loses in court where will the rest of the money go?

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
33. She says she'll use it for voting integrity efforts
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:58 AM
Nov 2016

And yeah, I'll be curious as to how she'll make the case for recounts in MI & PA.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
37. Which supposedly is one of the goals of Green party.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:59 AM
Nov 2016

Which means she could presumably just keep the money for Green party if she loses in court and doesn't get the recounts.

athena

(4,187 posts)
35. From the site:
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:59 AM
Nov 2016
If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform.


Personally, I am happy to contribute to a fund that is working to ensure the integrity of the election process. And I believe there will be recounts. I doubt that the results will change, but at least the people will know that someone cares enough about their votes to make sure they were counted.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
39. There is no guarantee whatsoever that there will be recounts in MI and PA.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:00 PM
Nov 2016

My understanding she has to go to court to get those.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
42. No matter the outcome, election reform will now be a national issue. That is good.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
Nov 2016

And that is so overdue that we are here today needing to recount.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. Pennsylvania is not doing a recount
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Nov 2016

At least take a moment to look at how things work in each state.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
51. A candidate cant actually file for a vote recount under Pennsylvania law.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:04 PM
Nov 2016

Which I guess you already knew that?

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
57. The money ia to support the hundreds of voters who are requesting
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:22 PM
Nov 2016

Recounts. Any 3 voters in a precinct can request a recount. And so far enough are.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
61. These people need to be ready by Monday.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:04 PM
Nov 2016

Presumably with the money needed for the recount? I guess I will believe it when I see it.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
25. RECOUNT equals RUSSIA RETHINKS NEXT TIME B4 HACKING OUR ELECTION!
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

NO RECOUNT = RUSSIA PLEASE PLEASE CHOOSE OUR GOVERNMENT!

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
26. She stated in the fundraising site she'd need 7 million all along.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:44 AM
Nov 2016

The more she has the better to afford the recount.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
47. No she didn't
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:58 PM
Nov 2016

She estimated that it could cost between 6 and 7 million.

Her "goal" is now 7 million.

What happens if it only winds up costing 6 million and she raises 7?

Where does that other million go?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
70. Understood
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:08 PM
Nov 2016

I just am doing my part to try to discourage people from giving money to Jill Stein and the Green Party in light of the fact that they stand against the Democratic Party and actively fought to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president, and are now taking advantage of that loss to raise more money for themselves.

Liberal In Texas

(13,554 posts)
36. I seriously think she is NOT USING IT TO RAISE FUNDS for the Green Party itself.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:59 AM
Nov 2016

You have nothing but your idle speculation to back up your assertions.

Let's give this a chance. It may be a slim chance, but it's a chance.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
40. My understanding is, she can get recount in WI but in MI and PA she will have to convince the courts
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:01 PM
Nov 2016

to even allow recounts.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
49. Without question, she is
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:59 PM
Nov 2016

She said any additional funds would be spent towards promoting fairer voting systems, which is what she claims the Green Party does.

She also says there is no guarantee that there will be any recounts, and she will not be giving back the money if that is the case.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
56. Agreed
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:06 PM
Nov 2016

This is such a transparent attempt to fundraise for the Green Party.

There are so many great organizations out there to donate money.

womanofthehills

(8,712 posts)
64. People can give money to multiple causes
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:16 PM
Nov 2016

I think money is well spent auditing our elections. Why would you not think that???????

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
68. Jill Stein is an avowed enemy of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:05 PM
Nov 2016

Giving money to her is helping to advance her continued agenda.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
59. Cost of Election 2016 6,917,636,161.00
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:53 PM
Nov 2016

Cost of Election
Cycle - Total Cost of Election - Congressional Races
2012* $6,285,557,223 $3,664,141,430
2014 $3,845,393,700 $3,845,393,700
2016* $6,917,636,161 $4,266,514,050

results for cost of 2016 election

healthnut7

(249 posts)
60. WOW!!
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:02 PM
Nov 2016

I hope she is raising money for what she said she is! Sounds kind of suspicious to keep upping the amount??

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
67. it wont matter
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:22 PM
Nov 2016

people are throwing money into a black hole



People like me face losing everything because of disease and 50 K would make all the difference in the world but this effort is making millions and it won't change drumpth from being president


https://www.gofundme.com/pamelas-crohns-disease-relief

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
74. Reid is saying that this is deflecting from the "real hack" Russia and Wikileaks....
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:12 PM
Nov 2016

Her role in disseminating lies from RT, and obsecuring the real important issues Dems need to focus on to win- including voter suppression and gerrymandering.
That she is furthering Russia's aims of creating chaos and distrust for our system and still working for RT.

The only silver lining is that the Russians may now screw with the Donald. I don't know, it's all so surreal.

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