not just Detroit.

Still a large number.

But if just Detroit, woul not be credible in the least.

When you do that, "fishy" is what you get.

That compares to 49,840 undervotes for president in 2012.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/michigans_presidential_electio.html


56: Percentage of the vote that Clinton won in metro Detroit -- i.e., Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties. That compares to 69 percent for President Barack Obama in metro Detroit in 2012. Trump got 40 percent of the 2016 vote. The three counties accounted for 39 percent of total ballots cast in this election.

52: Percentage of the vote that Trump won in outstate Michigan compared to 42 percent for Clinton. Trump's large margin of victories in rural counties were somewhat offset by Clinton's wins in urban counties such as Genesee and Washtenaw.

48: Number of counties where Trump got at least 60 percent of the vote. His biggest margin of victory was in Missaukee County, where he got 74 percent of the ballots.

60: Counties where Clinton got less than 40 percent of the vote. That compares to 10 counties in 2012 where Obama got less than 40 percent.

75: Number of Michigan's 83 counties won by Trump. The nine counties that went for Clinton: Wayne, Oakland, Genesee, Washtenaw, Ingham, Kalamazoo, Muskegon and Marquette. Clinton's greatest margin of victory was in Washtenaw, where she won 68 percent of the vote.

12: Number of counties that voted for Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2016. They are Macomb, Saginaw, Bay, Monroe, Shiawassee, Calhoun, Eaton, Isabella, Van Buren, Lake, Manistee and Gogebic.

Wayne county still seems off, but assuming the suburbs came in for orange.

The rural areas around those cities would be red, but the county overall wouldn't.

Especially when I read that 50,000 didn't vote for either Obama or Romney, 2 relatively well-liked candidates.

... by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson. The vast, vast majority of American of all kinds are very low information voters.

I sadly don't find it surprising at all that so many folks didn't vote and, frankly, that a chunk of those who did were not sufficiently motivated by the prospect of 'more of the same' with Hillary to vote for her.

There are certainly many things bad with voter suppression, however, the Democrats and the Clinton campaign knew this and yet, apparently, did not take it seriously enough in rust belt states to counter those efforts (I still cannot believe that Hillary did not visit Wisconsin once after the April primary).

Of course, the thing that is still so difficult for so many participating Democrats to acknowledge is the simple fact that Hillary Clinton was a very blah candidate with virtually no message for working folks.

and states taking over county governments. It just doesn't make sense.

Several thousands of ballots in Florida had no vote for President in the 2000 election. So those are ballots they REALLY scrutinized claiming those "dimple chads" were supposed to be votes. Some even got out magnifying glasses looking for a dimple.

It's hard to believe there are a few voters who go to the polls and leave the race for president blank. But anyone who has worked in elections and counting will tell you it's actually not as uncommon as you think.

These people tend to be rare voters. In other words they typically don't vote. The reason they came out to vote at all would be for maybe a race down ballot they care about or maybe to vote on referendums or amendments and such that they care about.

People do weird things on ballots. A few people on twitter were gloating over the fact that they wrote in "Harambe" for president.

My post. Particularly Older ones. Under voting would be more o a white thing. Whites have that luxury. That sai, there is a big chunk of African American, whites, Hipanics who don't vote. But it is very doubtful that AA would bother to turn out and then not vote against Trump.

they were election judges would be the only ones to see them, if they are like illinois. no write-ins are tabulated w/o a certified write-in in the race.

Lots of anger in Michigan over free trade agreements and anger at Clintons. Historically Democratic and they didn't think their protest vote would tip the election, either.

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I live in Michigan. I rarely talk to people about who they voted for (where I am, it can be assumed that most people supported Clinton, or, at least, opposed Trump strongly enough to vote for her) but I know of at least 2 very active, political people who voted for other offices/proposals/etc but left the top of the ticket blank.

I also know someone who canvassed a LOT for Clinton in Detroit (who is a political scientist) and he said that the majority of the people he talked to either were openly hostile towards Clinton (based on specific policy stuff - trade, social safety net, the incarceral state), or were essentially indifferent to her. Most of the people he talked to were African American.