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RandySF

(58,884 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:47 PM Nov 2016

The election WAS rigged, but not in ways that you might think.

Last edited Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:53 PM - Edit history (1)

We have the most inefficient national election system imaginable, and that is why it is too difficult to sway by hacking. In Michigan, for example, all voting within a municipality is run by the City Clerk. There is a Dearborn City Clerk, a Detroit City Clerk, a Pontiac City Clerk, and it does on. So, in order to hack the state, you need to hack hundreds of local offices. What DID happen this year was as efficient as it was insidious.

1. Federal law enforcement, whose members favored Trump by for, beat the bushes for anti=Clinton stories in coordination with Comey and Giuliani.

2. Comey sent a letter to Congress, which protocol says he never should have done, exaggerated the significance of the duplicate emails found on Scott Weiner's laptop, especially since they had not yet obtained a warrant.

3. The fact the Huma Abedin doesn't know how the emails showed up tells me someone in the FBI accessed her account after it was confiscated in the sexting case.

4. Russian propaganda sources spread fake news stories all over social media.

5. Wikileaks, led by rapist and Clinton hater Julian Assange, undertook and unprecedented hacking of personal, campaign and party servers with the likely support of the Russian government.

This mix of foreign, government and criminal activity is what made the difference.

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The election WAS rigged, but not in ways that you might think. (Original Post) RandySF Nov 2016 OP
I'll deconstruct all of your points. Apex812 Nov 2016 #1
Your "deconstruction" is flawed red dog 1 Nov 2016 #2
You have a point. Apex812 Nov 2016 #4
Thanks for that definition of "Bernie Bros" red dog 1 Nov 2016 #5
I agree with much of your OP, however, red dog 1 Nov 2016 #3
 

Apex812

(45 posts)
1. I'll deconstruct all of your points.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:18 PM
Nov 2016

1) Anti-Clinton books and stories have existed for years. It's the DNC fault for backing a candidate with all of that political baggage.

2) Comey letter did cause damage however Clinton was on a light decline before the letter. And in fact Clinton received a bump after the 2nd Clinton letter clearing her of any wrongdoing.

3) Huma most likely didn't deactivate her email account on the laptop and had all of her emails syncing on the device. (Which is why the FBI said everything was fine and it was just duplicates)

4) We can't cry Russian every time. However fake news sites on Facebook played a bigger part than I expected. The Twitter bots also played a part by hijacking Hillary hashtags spreading wrong/negative info. And attacking high profile pro Hillary accounts and spamming replies with pro Trump propaganda also helped. To say it was all from the Russians is ignorant. However they probably played a part in it. But not as much as you think.

5) Wikileaks I feel is under Russian control. However they were simply doing their job at exposing government corruption. They received all the emails from the DNC think-tank exposing that the DNC were all activity working against Bernie Sanders campaign. This is also why the DNC party is split.

The "Bernie Bros" saw all of this and refused to vote for Hillary as the result of this corruption. This is also why people want the DNC to clean house and why they want the chairman to stepdown after she also got caught leaking confidential CNN debate questions to the Clinton campaign.

Trump was against NAFTA and the TPP AND promised to bring them back their jobs. Hillary husband unfortunately couldn't stop NAFTA and it got through under his Presidency. Thus becoming the face of NAFTA. And it took too long for Hillary to be against the TPP. She had no clear economic message. Which is why the Rustbelt collapsed for Trump.

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
2. Your "deconstruction" is flawed
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:04 PM
Nov 2016

1) "It's the DNC's fault for backing the flawed candidate"??
While I agree that DWS did a terrible job as Chair of the DNC, and she did, in fact, "back the flawed candidate", I don't think blaming the entire DNC is justified.

2) "Clinton was on a light decline before the (Comey) letter"??
Please provide your source for this.
I remember that she was at least 11 points ahead of Trump in the non-GOP polls, and Republican leaders were worried about losing control of the Senate.....I don't remember any "light decline" in the polls.

3) "We can't cry Russian every time"??
What other time has Russia been to blame for hacking into a US election?
"NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked The 2016 Election"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512619985

4) Re: WikiLeaks.."They were simply doing their job at exposing government corruption"??
I don't think so.
They didn't expose any "government corruption" by the Republicans, did they?
Is that because there is no GOP government corruption?

5) Who exactly are the "Bernie Bros"?

6) "Hillary husband unfortunately couldn't stop NAFTA"?
While it's true that NAFTA was approved by a 61-38 vote in the US Senate, that was because 27 Democratic senators voted for it.
If Bill Clinton had really WANTED to stop NAFTA (by Veto), I'm sure he would have been able to get at least two pro-NAFTA Democratic senators to NOT vote for it, thus avoiding the possibility of having his Veto overturned by the Senate.


 

Apex812

(45 posts)
4. You have a point.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:31 PM
Nov 2016

The way I look at the hacking is like this. We can't say it was the Russians until there is proper documented evidence of voting machines in battleground states being tampered with. Because we blame Russians so much this election for everything that went wrong. I fear that once there is real activity of Russian tampering. It will get ignored because we blamed them so much. Majority of the polls (except the one L.A. Times poll that accurately predicted Trump win precisely day by day.) Had minor variations but overall were similar to this. http://imgur.com/a/Ca86N

I never said WikiLeaks was clear of any wrongdoing. I said they very well must be under Russian control which is why they never released any RNC emails or emails from Trump associates. But the DNC ignoring WikiLeaks was a big mistake. I learned that "Bernie Bros" were the progressive democrats that were shunned and called that name after they wouldn't fall in line behind Hillary and pointed out the early warning signs and were talked down to as millenniums who don't know what they're talking about and wasn't going to vote anyway.

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
5. Thanks for that definition of "Bernie Bros"
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:47 PM
Nov 2016

I've seen that term but never knew what the hell it meant.

As far as your, "after they wouldn't fall in line behind Hillary"
Hillary Clinton could have avoided all this "Bernie Bros" stuff by choosing a running-mate from the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie himself, which would have "united" the Democratic Party.

Instead, she chose a conservadem from VA.

It was like she was giving the finger to the more than 6 million Democrats who voted for Bernei.
(Clinton won 28 states, Bernie won 22 states)

red dog 1

(27,816 posts)
3. I agree with much of your OP, however,
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:31 PM
Nov 2016

It's Comey, not "Comet" (probably just a "typo&quot
It's Julian Assange, not Gullan"

Also, your statement: "federal law enforcement, whose members favored Trump" is a little ambiguous.
It was the FBI "whose members favored Trump", not "federal law enforcement."
"The FBI is Trumpland"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028269247

DOJ is also "federal law enforcement" but high-ranking DOJ officials were extremely angry when Comey sent his letter to Congressional leaders only 10 days before the election.
It wasn't merely a breach of "protocol" on Comey's part, it was likely a violation of the 1939 Hatch Act, for which Comey should have been immediately removed from office by POTUS, pending prosecution by the DOJ.

Comey committed a crime..and he should have been indicted and subsequently prosecuted by the Justice Department for his violation of the Hatch Act.


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