2016 Postmortem

Lucinda

(31,170 posts) Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:10 PM Nov 2016

Wisconsin Elections Commission - Re Recount

Stein never had an exact figure to work with when announcing her recount plans, so she would have had to revise her estimate needed as more info was available to her.
- Lucinda

Likely Statewide Recount for President of the United States
Posted in Clerks
Priority: High Priority
Date: November 23, 2016
To: Wisconsin County Clerks
Milwaukee County Election Commission
From: Ross Hein, Elections Supervisor
WEC staff has been informed that the Jill Stein campaign for President of the United States is going to request a statewide recount. Attorneys for the Stein campaign have indicated that they will be filing a recount petition by the 5 pm deadline this Friday.

The Stein campaign will be required to pay for the entire estimated cost of a statewide recount before a recount will be ordered. We need your help in determining how much it will cost for you and your municipal counterparts to conduct this recount. It is recommended that you start looking at figures from the 2011 Supreme Court recount and cost projections that you or your predecessor put together for the Associated Press. One option is to look at the number of ballots that were recounted in 2011 and to extrapolate based upon the number of ballots counted in the presidential election.

There are numerous logistics to coordinate and we will continue to update you on a regular basis. We will be planning a teleconference for all county clerks to participate in and we will let you know that date early next week. For now please start to put together cost projections and respond to recounts@wi.gov once complete. To get familiarized with the recount procedures, please take a look at the recount manual. For any municipality selected to audit voting equipment, we will communicate shortly with those clerks selected to provide additional guidance on how to proceed given the likely statewide recount.

We know that this is not the type of news that you want to hear immediately before a holiday and after a very labor intensive fall election season. The Statutes permit any ballot candidate to request a recount regardless of the margin. Although we are certain that this is going to create numerous challenges and significant frustration, we thank you for your commitment to election administration in Wisconsin.

http://elections.wi.gov/node/4432

Stein never had an exact figure to work with when announcing her recount plans, so she would have had to revise her estimate needed as more info was available to her.

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Wisconsin Elections Commission - Re Recount (Original Post) Lucinda Nov 2016 OP

Progress! triron Nov 2016 #1

And WI is the only state she can actually get this recount in by simply filing and paying the fee. LisaL Nov 2016 #2

Crazy how hard some states make things...voting should be easy, and a recount Lucinda Nov 2016 #7

I agree. But that is neither here nor there, when people are donating money for recounts LisaL Nov 2016 #9

She could have with PA, too, but she missed the deadline for that. pnwmom Nov 2016 #16

hmmm itsrobert Nov 2016 #3

Sounds like Republican talking points sent out by Walker. Coyotl Nov 2016 #12

Will they count only Stein votes or all candidate votes???? CK_John Nov 2016 #4

What would be the point of counting only Stein votes? LisaL Nov 2016 #5

The title of the notice says "Likely Statewide Recount for President of the United States" Lucinda Nov 2016 #6

Recount of the Presidential election. Senate would cost more yet. Coyotl Nov 2016 #13

Forking over a million clams is not so easy. ucrdem Nov 2016 #8

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Recount would have to move quickly ucrdem Nov 2016 #10

"undermines Wisconsin's election process"? "tactic to silence Wisconsin voters"? progressoid Nov 2016 #14

I take that as a good sign. ucrdem Nov 2016 #15

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Nov 2016 #11

Is it too late for a FLORIDA RECOUNT? KatyBR Nov 2016 #17

I've been reading that Florida has already certified and it's too late Lucinda Nov 2016 #18

triron

(22,006 posts)

1. Progress!

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:12 PM

Nov 2016

LisaL

(44,973 posts)

2. And WI is the only state she can actually get this recount in by simply filing and paying the fee.

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:14 PM

Nov 2016

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)

7. Crazy how hard some states make things...voting should be easy, and a recount

Reply to LisaL (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:25 PM

Nov 2016

process should be easy to request too. I really think we should hit the GOP harder about how much they do to disenfranchise American voters...

LisaL

(44,973 posts)

9. I agree. But that is neither here nor there, when people are donating money for recounts

Reply to Lucinda (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:38 PM

Nov 2016

that quite likely won't even happen.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

16. She could have with PA, too, but she missed the deadline for that.

Reply to LisaL (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:36 PM

Nov 2016

Instead, she's having to meet the later deadline for filing a lawsuit.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)

3. hmmm

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:15 PM

Nov 2016

"we are certain that this is going to create numerous challenges and significant frustration"

Sounds like they know the jig is up.

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)

12. Sounds like Republican talking points sent out by Walker.

Reply to itsrobert (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:30 PM

Nov 2016

The elections commission should focus on their job, not deciding what we should think.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)

4. Will they count only Stein votes or all candidate votes????

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:15 PM

Nov 2016

LisaL

(44,973 posts)

5. What would be the point of counting only Stein votes?

Reply to CK_John (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:16 PM

Nov 2016

They have to determine how much she got compared to other people running.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)

6. The title of the notice says "Likely Statewide Recount for President of the United States"

Reply to CK_John (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:18 PM

Nov 2016

so it would seem to be that they will count all presidential votes...?

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)

13. Recount of the Presidential election. Senate would cost more yet.

Reply to CK_John (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:32 PM

Nov 2016

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)

8. Forking over a million clams is not so easy.

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:30 PM

Nov 2016

Even if she raised 5 mil online that doesn't necessarily translate to cash on hand, plus the banks are closed today so she'll probably need to use her own funds if it's going to happen. And this is the easy one!

Fingers crossed.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)

10. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Recount would have to move quickly

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:16 PM

Nov 2016

Assembly Majority Jim Steineke (R-Kaukauna) called the move for a recount ridiculous, saying it would burden clerks who have lots of other work they need to do.

"I just can't imagine why someone who is almost 1.4 million votes behind would request this," he said. "If your votes came in at 1% of the overall total of the vote, it doesn't make a lot of sense that you should be able to request a recount and put the whole state through this."

He said he did not think there was a way to prevent the recount but he would consider legislation that would allow candidates to force recounts only if they lost by a small margin.

Mark Morgan, executive director of the state Republican Party, said: "Jill Stein's decision to pursue a recount is absurd and nothing more than an expensive political stunt that undermines Wisconsin's election process. Wisconsin voters spoke loud and clear, Democrats and their liberal allies lost decisively and now they are promoting a desperate last-minute tactic to silence Wisconsin voters."

The Clinton campaign has not commented on the recount effort.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/25/recount-would-have-move-quickly/94417686/

Sounds like it's a go.

progressoid

(49,990 posts)

14. "undermines Wisconsin's election process"? "tactic to silence Wisconsin voters"?

Reply to ucrdem (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:32 PM

Nov 2016

WTF? How does a recount undermine the process or silence voters? If anything, it does the opposite.

Fuck off Mark Morgan.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)

15. I take that as a good sign.

Reply to progressoid (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:33 PM

Nov 2016

red dog 1

(27,805 posts)

11. K&R...Thanks for posting

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:23 PM

Nov 2016

Too bad that there wasn't a recount requested by the Clinton campaign in Florida, where a recount might have well have overturned Trump's "win" in that state.

KatyBR

(183 posts)

17. Is it too late for a FLORIDA RECOUNT?

Reply to Lucinda (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:37 PM

Nov 2016

source: http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/youre-not-just-imagining-it-the-hillary-clinton-vs-donald-trump-vote-totals-do-look-rigged/104/?platform=hootsuite

"Other states and other demographics raise other red flags. For instance, somewhere around seventy percent of all the votes cast in the 2016 general election in Florida were cast early. Various exit polls pointed to Hillary Clinton receiving as somewhere between 54% and 59% of the Florida early vote, much of it from Hispanic-Americans. That meant Trump would have had to have received somewhere between 59% and 71% of the election day voting in Florida in order to have caught up and tied the state. He would have needed between 62% and 74% of the election day vote to have won it by the one percent overall margin he supposedly won it by.

Although democrats tend to do somewhat better in early voting and republicans tend to do somewhat better on election day, it’s virtually impossible for Trump to have come back and won Florida after it was already basically in the bag for Clinton before election day even arrived. See my full mathematical breakdown for Florida voting in the middle of this article for why he simply couldn’t have come back to even tie up Florida, let alone win it."

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)

18. I've been reading that Florida has already certified and it's too late

Reply to KatyBR (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 08:19 PM

Nov 2016

So I'm not sure...

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