2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's 2016. Trump voters are upset because their jobs have moved overseas. Where have they been?
Oh! I remember. The past 35 years they have been voting for tax codes and policies that made it easier for companies and jobs to be moved overseas. Hypocrites. Fools.
I can still remember back in the eighties when the democrats and unions were warning all of us about our jobs moving overseas. They had a name for it. The rush to the bottom. Most working people did not listen. They voted for trickle down economics. They turned their back on the labor movement.
Now they think trump will save them. He will bring back all their jobs They don't realize they have voted for everything that has wrecked their lives. More trickle down, massive deregulation, cuts to the social safety net, anti labor policies. Good luck everyone.
Trump knows many of the people that voted for him will believe anything he says. Trump is a serial liar. Be prepared for trump to take advantage of them. It could be a while before they catch on.
doc03
(35,363 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)pandr32
(11,608 posts)Are you trying to suggest that HC helped outsource jobs instead of trying to advocate for people while on the board?
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pandr32
(11,608 posts)And explain exactly what you are referring to. You could take your own advice and "go read" some of the good Hillary Clinton did while on the board of one of the largest employers as First Lady of Arkansas. It seems you are choosing to paint Hillary Clinton in a negative light here on DU.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm not going to rehash this and get juried out by ...
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I did think that Obama missed an opportunity to hector U.S. companies when he had a chance. If Trump keeps this up he may keep the base which voted for him. Even Sanders agrees with the approach.
The next question will be how will Mexico respond.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)they'd rather buy cheap than buy American.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Watch a few episodes of "How It's Made" they are on YouTube.
Anyone that thinks manufacturing jobs are coming back needs to watch a few episodes.
If we put all of our emphasis on improving national security by returning agriculture (and food processing) to small communities, there would be plenty of jobs. If we shifted our defense spending to making people in the interior of the country self-sufficient we would all do better.
There are ways to create jobs, but they aren't going to be in traditional factory work.
Yonnie3
(17,479 posts)We produced CDs, DVDs, and CD-Roms. The automation was moved to Mexico in 2003. Offshore production is often automated. Their are still labor costs associated with automated equipment which can be reduced by offshoring. There are often much lower costs associated with waste as well. Liquids that we collected and evaporated down to a slurry and disposed of as hazardous waste were simply piped into the city sewer in Mexico.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)That one of the big industries for a while was picking up factories and transporting them to Mexico.
Of course once the factories are gone, the transporters get laid off too.
Yonnie3
(17,479 posts)The electrical/mechanical contractor who helped build the factory in 1986, bid on and received the contract for disconnection, skidding and shipping the equipment in 2003. They had already developed and demonstrated expertise in factory closures by that time. They did lay off some in the mid-2000s, but seemed to recoup that when they got into traffic control, commercial networking, fiber optics and so forth. That particular locally owned company seems to roll with the punches rather well.
The trucking company that moved the machines was able to get the contract to transport the discs produced into the US.
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I wanted to add that this closure left several hundred without a good paying benefited job. Many of them went to school under the Trade Act and received unemployment benefits for a full two years as well as a tax credit much like Obamacare to help with insurance. The big trouble with the Trade Act benefits was that the training available was for jobs that didn't exist. In many cases the training for available jobs would take more than two years because things like HVAC tech, automobile repair, etc. were no longer two year programs. They had become an apprenticeship plus school programs which took four years.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)If trump gets carrier to keep those jobs here he will claim victory. This is how his serial lying will be used against his voters. He will be on twitter telling everyone what a amazing job he did.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Obama had eight years to work towards protecting U.S. jobs. As far as I can tell, he didn't do much. I thought when he had the opportunity to hold Jeff Immelt's (GE CEO) feet to the fire that he should have taken it.
You do have this dead council. Last web entries from 2012.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/advisory-boards/jobs-council
Here is the obituary which is can also be considered, in part, the obituary of the 2016 Presidential race.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/white-house-discontinues-jobs-council/?_r=0
kimbutgar
(21,182 posts)The election of Obama opened up that Pandora's box. Orange hitler just knew how to spread it effectively.