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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:15 PM Nov 2016

The "working class whites" narrative vs. Alex Roarty's piece. Major conflation going on here.

In another thread, the reaction to a piece by Alex Roarty suggests some may be conflating 2 completely different arguments. I don't really find anything objectionable with Roarty's article, aside from the silly Nancy Larson quote at the end (as if urbanites and suburbanites aren't "ordinary people&quot . After this year's election, Obama made the point that he had visited a lot of rural towns so as to not lose those towns as badly as he would have if he hadn't visited them (minimizing losses and maximizing gains are both important). The Roarty piece is essentially saying the same thing, along with pointing out 2 common sense ideas:

1) Rural Dems (not all of whom are white) are more likely to vote if the Dems do outreach in their communities (do some advertising and, if not sending the candidate there, at least send some surrogates who have rural experience--Bill Clinton, for instance). Just as Dems do GOTV in blue areas, they need to do GOTV in red areas.

2) Campaign in part on bringing broadband Internet to rural communities. That's a specific, sensible proposal.

That's totally different than the somewhat popular DU narrative about "working class whites" and blue collar workers. That narrative suggests Dems aren't already fighting for *both* economic and social justice. That narrative suggests that Clinton didn't speak enough about economic issues, such as addressing jobs or the rising costs of health insurance. Some even claim she spent more time on "transgender bathrooms." And that's all bullshit. That whole narrative is ridiculous. Clinton's website, her speeches and her debate performances all addressed those economic issues at length and with great substance (to a *much* greater extent than Trump did). Plus, that narrative implies that working class POC don't care about economic issues, which is absurd. And there really is no excuse for supporting Trump.

For tens of millions of Americans, racism, sexism, xenophobia, heterosexism, Christian supremacy and single issues (like abortion) take precedence over everything else. Throughout US history, there's been a white backlash to racial progress (such as the election of Obama and his executive action that produced DACA). There isn't a whole lot Dems can do about that--a sizable portion of the electorate (35+ percent) is simply not reachable, and that's always been the case. Also, that major proponents of the TPP won (with ease) and that the re-election rate of incumbents was even higher than normal suggests a major flaw in the anti-trade/anti-establishment narrative. And let's not lose sight of the fact that tens of millions subscribe to patently false beliefs.

I wrote about all of those things (and more) in my long, link-filled post-election essay.

As for the idea that Obama voters can't be racist, you have much to learn if you engage in such simplistic thinking as that (it's on par with the classic "I have a black friend" defense). You may want to start with this article: "Why Did Some White Obama Voters Go for Trump?"

Let's face it, Clinton was victimized by decades of hate (much of it totally irrational and rooted in sexism and misogyny). The exact same message could win in 2020 so long as the messenger isn't Clinton.

And we can't overlook voter suppression (Shelby County v. Holder decision was devastating). Or the FBI's unprecedented interference. Or the deadful media. And when it comes to House races, we can't overlook gerrymandering as a huge factor.

But, yes, Dems should do more outreach to rural communities, particularly where there are POC. The crux of the message doesn't have to change much. Dems just need to show up in more places.

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The "working class whites" narrative vs. Alex Roarty's piece. Major conflation going on here. (Original Post) Garrett78 Nov 2016 OP
Good analysis. I thought I was the only one.. JHan Nov 2016 #1
To some extent, yes, especially if people don't have the Internet. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #2
K&R betsuni Nov 2016 #3
KnR! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #4
I live in a town of 50k in NC (eastern NC not a suburb) dsc Dec 2016 #5
Very great & helpful compilation! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #6
Thanks. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8
KnR! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #7

JHan

(10,173 posts)
1. Good analysis. I thought I was the only one..
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:20 PM
Nov 2016

"2) Campaign in part on bringing broadband Internet to rural communities. That's a specific, sensible proposal. "

And you know Clinton's tech plan covers this.... is it too much to ask voters to read... to actually read, to make the effort and read shit.. is it too much to ask?!?!!?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
2. To some extent, yes, especially if people don't have the Internet.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:28 PM
Nov 2016

Even in urban and suburban areas, Dems don't rely on people reading. Dems do a lot of GOTV...and that needs to extend to some more rural areas, which was the crux of Roarty's article.

But, yes, Clinton did have a plan for tech expansion and promoted tech entrepreneurship. She spoke of infrastructure development and new "green" industries. She campaigned on cutting red tape and taxes. She campaigned on raising wages, reforming Wall Street and making the wealthiest pay their fair share. And so on. Again, she spoke at length and with great substance on economic issues. The economic messaging/"working class whites"/too much focus on social justice narrative, popular among some, is utter bullshit.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
5. I live in a town of 50k in NC (eastern NC not a suburb)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:19 PM
Dec 2016

Bill came twice here. He came to Goldsboro (were I live), Wilson, Kinston, Greeneville, and New Bern.

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