now, when? It's time to put up or shut up. Go off the cliff & fucking stand for something.

He won the damned election for a reason. If we wanted the fucking oligarchy to continue we should have just stayed home & let Romney slink into the WH.

I'm so sick & tired of this game. Fuck both parties. I don't know which is more crazy at this point, the batshit crazy right wing, or those making excuses for our president, the guy that won the election, to cave on every issue to the sickening likes of Boehner.

One thing at least you can say about the republicons, when they stood on a position, they hung in there come hell or political high water... wrong or more wrong, they hung in there... together. That's why it was nearly impossible to get anything done.

Wonder when the democrats will do that?
With that kind of *sticktoitness*, we could make some significant progress with the current and incoming majorities.

It is not an actual cliff, it is turn of phrase.
And just as in sports, if the opponent wins that means they are better than you at the game. If you can't beat folks who are 'fucking out of their minds' it is time to admit you need some help in negotiations.

consumption, an oligarchy win-win.

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22. Why isn’t Obama demanding corporate welfare cuts?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-isnt-obama-demanding-corporate-welfare-cuts-2012-12-18?siteid=YAHOOB

Commentary: $2.6 trillion could be saved without touching safety net...

If President Barack Obama and Speaker John Boehner really want to reduce federal deficits, they’re doing a lousy job of it. Rather than focusing their negotiations on specific and achievable savings that would stabilize our debt for a decade or more, the two leaders have instead been talking about areas of the budget in which there’s almost no common ground. Instead of reaching a reasonable compromise, each party is insisting that the other surrender unconditionally. The Democrats and Republicans alike would rather win a bloody political victory than achieve a negotiated peace.

For Democrats, the only goal of the fiscal-cliff confrontation seems to be raising tax rates and getting more revenue from the wealthy. For Republicans, it’s shredding the safety net for seniors and the working poor.

They’re ignoring the most obvious solution: Eliminating unproductive and unnecessary federal spending and tax expenditures, especially corporate welfare that only benefits special interests. If even we didn’t have a deficit problem, we should eliminate or minimize this kind of wasteful spending. And, contrary to what you’ve been told, there is plenty to cut.

We know why no one is talking about this solution: The corporate interests who feed at the public trough control the politicians and the media who have worked themselves into a frenzy over the debt and the fiscal cliff. You’ll never see a group of CEOs, like Honeywell’s David Cote or Jim McNerney of Boeing, come to Washington to lobby to have their subsidies eliminated, but you will see them ask for old and sick people to bear the costs of deficit reduction... Obama doesn’t have to run for office again, so he’s free to say what everyone already knows: We don’t need to subsidize farmers, or energy companies, or defense contractors, or pharmaceutical companies, or the real estate business, or banks, or hedge funds. Corn and coal and sugar and 30-year mortgages don’t need to be subsidized. It’s possible to achieve all the budget savings we need for the next 10 years simply by cutting the fat out of discretionary spending programs and tax expenditures, without raising tax rates on the wealthy or cutting the safety net at all. All we need to do is look at the recommendations of such good-government groups as the Government Accountability Office, Taxpayers for Common Sense, or the Cato Institute...