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Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:23 AM Dec 2012

Pelosi providing cover for chained CPI?

At a Wednesday press briefing at the Capitol, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi acknowledged she’s disappointed with aspects of President Obama’s latest fiscal cliff proposal, and has encouraged her members to speak out against it, to prevent further concessions.

But she defended Obama from critics on the left who’ve pointed out that his proposal includes a Social Security benefit cut.

“I’ve said to the members, ‘express yourselves,’” Pelosi said. “Speak out against — because I’m not thrilled with the President’s proposal. It’s what it is in order to save the day. But that doesn’t mean that we all identify with every aspect of it. So they go forth with my blessing.”

Pelosi was responding to a question about Obama’s main concession to House Speaker John Boehner: a measure called Chained CPI that would re-index Social Security payments to a lower level of inflation.

Though Chained CPI would reduce lifetime benefits relative to the current cost of living adjustment formula, Pelosi said she does not consider it a benefit cut.

“No, I don’t,” consider it a benefit cut, she said. “I consider it a strengthening of Social Security.”


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/pelosi-im-not-thrilled-with-obamas-fiscal-cliff-proposal----but-its-not-a-benefit-cut.php

Must say, I didn't see that coming...
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newfie11

(8,159 posts)
3. more insanity
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:32 AM
Dec 2012

How does SS affect the deficit???? What is the rush to impoverish more old folks? The hell it is not a benefit cut. If your cost of living is cut every year it affects how much money you get, is that not a benefit????This does not make sense.

If Pres Obama has some grand plan I wish he would let us in on it or stop trying to sacrifice SS every time the Dept Crisis come up.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. I am afraid the thinking is that if SS payouts can be cut enough, the money stolen from it
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:41 AM
Dec 2012

won't need to be paid back.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Pelosi is too busy counting her tens of millions to learn what she is talking about.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:00 AM
Dec 2012

She sounds exactly like a Republican. Exactly. She should be ashamed of the steaming bullshit coming out of her mouth.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
12. Changing
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:58 AM
Dec 2012

your party affiliation to what, Independent,Libertarian or Republican? You don't change your affiliation, you get rid of the person betraying you. Barrack Obama ran for office because people were not satisfied with the establishment of the party. He took up issues such as against the War in Iraq and Universal Health care. So he got people to vote him in office against Hillary Clinton.

The current Democratic Party has enough bright young people to primary the old guard if they don't listen to the Base. You don't get out, but change the leaders from the Top, who want sell out to corporate interests. President Obama needs to remember who sent him to office and not compromise his core values. You don't tell voters, that you will fight for their causes and then get into office to compromise behind closed doors. If they were going to do that, then don't ask for our vote. The people reminding President Obama and Nancy Pelosi are not the extreme Left either. When those people call them, they are reminding them why they are there. They get up there and listen to media pundits like Chris Matthews,Bob Woodward, Ed Rendell, on these morning and evening talk shows.

Chris Matthews' tone during the Election was all for progressives and then suddenly it changed to compromise with Boehner. Boehner was the same guy disrespecting Obama during the Election and at his convention saying throw Obama out of some Bar. Woodward was the same guy going around during the Election, trying to undercut Obama and claiming the President betrayed Boehner. Now they are trying to dupe the same President Obama into turning off the same voters that got him elected. With the exception of Matthews, these people were pulling for Mitt Romney to win. I see the manipulation going on by the Press and certain Blue dogs attacking people they call this extreme Left. The only extremists are the Right.

What is actually going on is a tactic, Bill Clinton and Dick Morris used to perfection in the 90s with NAFTA. It is called triangulation. They call themselves moving to the middle by demonizing the Left by associating them with extremism similar to racists, and religious intolerant groups on the right. I don't see these people as in the middle. They are more in bed with corporate interests, which pit one side against the other. Their only cause is profits. All of a sudden, they have a welcome mat to the white house now. Saying Social Security is off the Table and then reversing it two or three weeks later under the cover of some known event, provides the distrust people have in you. Saying you are with drawing from a place and then making excuses to remain after getting votes, makes people distrust you.

The smart thing for the base to do, is run someone of their own within the party and get rid of those at the top. You don't do it outside of the party but do it the same way Obama did it. Obama has been given a second chance to do what people sent him to do. There should be no compromise or equivocation period. That is what his legacy will be.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. Ahhh yes. "Change it from the inside."
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:31 AM
Dec 2012

Correct?

Well my friend, at age 59 and as a lifelong Democrat, I can assure you that the party is indeed, "Changing from the inside(rs)" and not for the better. The Democratic Party of today, is far too the right of Nixon, a miserable, detestable Republican. We now have a "Democratic President" offering up my last hope to have some sort of life line, if I live that long, Social Security for sacrifice. I don't have time to wait for the rot to be purged from "my party" and for it to heal. I needed real help 4 years ago when it was promised. I don't have 4 more or even 2.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
9. Bear in mind that the mindset in Washington, in Wall Street, in corporate boardrooms,
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:39 AM
Dec 2012

and in the hangouts of the very rich, in conservative and third way think tanks, etc. - cutting social security payments in half, immediately, would strengthen social security and free up even more money to steal for corporate and bank subsidies and the military industrial complex.
"Strengthening Social Security" doesn't mean what Progressives think it means, in Washington.

budkin

(6,717 posts)
14. Is this really happening? Take action!
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:12 AM
Dec 2012

Keep calling and writing our suddenly out of touch with reality leadership. This is total bullshit.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
16. I think the term "express yourselves" is quite fitting in the proper context. Which this is.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:24 AM
Dec 2012

OK, anyone working in the veterinarian trade will get it.

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