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WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 AM Dec 2012

Poll: Brown would be heavy favorite in special election for MA Senate

A new WBUR poll in Massachusetts finds defeated Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) is in a strong position should there be a special election to fill Sen. John Kerry's (D-MA) seat next year with a favorability rate of 58% to 28%.

Said pollster Steve Koczela: "We matched him up theoretically against (U.S. Reps.) Ed Markey, Mike Capuano, Steve Lynch and (former U.S. Rep.) Marty Meehan, and in each one of those cases, he led by between 17 and 19 points."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/12/20/brown_would_be_heavy_favorite_in_special_election.html

If Obama wants to potentially lose a critical senate seat he will nominate John Kerry for SOS. Come on, there must be other outstanding individuals who can serve as SOS than just John Kerry?

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Poll: Brown would be heavy favorite in special election for MA Senate (Original Post) WI_DEM Dec 2012 OP
That won't last long MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1
The first poll for the same pollster in 2011 had Brown by 9. Mass Dec 2012 #2
Ok, hope you are right and if Kerry is chosen the good people of WI_DEM Dec 2012 #5
They would need to consider the time needed to change the numbers. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #20
"If Obama wants to potentially lose a critical senate seat" vi5 Dec 2012 #3
I no longer have any idea pscot Dec 2012 #14
Just like appointing Janet Napolitano and Kathleen Sebeilus to his cabinet screwed their states MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #4
I know what happened to Arizona, but what happened to Kathleen Sebeilus's state? midnight Dec 2012 #7
Brownback MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #17
The people of those states voted for who they wanted to vote for and those are deep red states. phleshdef Dec 2012 #25
I don't know why people keep mentioning Sebelius. She was term limited... Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #26
This won't last. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #6
Here is a different poll Mass Dec 2012 #8
I don't John2 Dec 2012 #9
I agree strongly Cosmocat Dec 2012 #10
What if a Kennedy were the candidate? efhmc Dec 2012 #11
At the beginning of this past election cycle polmaven Dec 2012 #12
Martha Coakley's campaign was totally ineffective. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #21
Yep! polmaven Dec 2012 #29
That doesn't send a very good message to the voters LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #30
Exactly. polmaven Dec 2012 #31
I don't get this TroyD Dec 2012 #13
I really don't see the point in wasting time and money electing people to the senate if Obama's just Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #15
Who has President Obama pulled from the Senate in the past? Cha Dec 2012 #23
Hilary Clinton and Ken Salazar of Colorado..... Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #24
Put a Kennedy up against him and he's toast. And the Kennedy's are not Tutonic Dec 2012 #16
They couldn't do anything about it two years ago. Texin Dec 2012 #18
Obama should consider someone else. Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #19
Many of us argued this point well before the polling came out. A DU'er that I respect greatly..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #27
Great. Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #22
Of course he would. Obama would not be on the ticket. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #28

Mass

(27,315 posts)
2. The first poll for the same pollster in 2011 had Brown by 9.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:55 AM
Dec 2012

So, may be you could calm down, let people from MA a chance to choose a candidate, and come back later to help.

Yes, I know it is much higher, but nobody has yet announced his/her intention to run.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
5. Ok, hope you are right and if Kerry is chosen the good people of
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:58 AM
Dec 2012

MA will elect a Democrat to replace him. We thought we would get rid of Walker in WI last year just by recalling him and we saw how that went. Sorry, but when the Senate is as close as it is I really don't want to take chances.

LiberalFighter

(51,104 posts)
20. They would need to consider the time needed to change the numbers.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:21 PM
Dec 2012

2011 to Nov 2012 is a long time to build

A special not as long. It would require a strong campaign. And you have pointed out no one has announced their intention to run. It could be someone not mentioned that would fare much better against Brown.

Regardless of who runs the campaign needs to remind the voters that Brown supported Romney and use his record against him.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
3. "If Obama wants to potentially lose a critical senate seat"
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:56 AM
Dec 2012

That would be convenient, wouldn't it?

So much for "Get us a bigger majority so we can get more done!!!"

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
25. The people of those states voted for who they wanted to vote for and those are deep red states.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:47 PM
Dec 2012

Those states screwed themselves.

Massachusettes is another story entirely and there is no reason, no excuse, not to be able to hold that seat with a good Dem candidate. None. John Kerry is not going to be around forever.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. I don't know why people keep mentioning Sebelius. She was term limited...
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:00 PM
Dec 2012

Yeesh. This is like the fourth or fifth time I've heard her name. She was going out anyway. She couldn't run for reelection and the seat would've probably gone Republican 2010 regardless if Sebelius stayed on for an extra two years.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
9. I don't
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:18 AM
Dec 2012

see why he was elected in the first place? All he is going to do is be a vote against Warren and Obama. That just doesn't make sense at all. It is the reason why Congress is dysfunctional.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
10. I agree strongly
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:27 AM
Dec 2012

Kerry would be great, but there have to be other people who would be great.

Outside of just being the jackasses they are, this, obviously, is a big part of their taking Susan Rice down.

polmaven

(9,463 posts)
12. At the beginning of this past election cycle
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:26 AM
Dec 2012

Brown was far ahead of Warren in polls, as well. It will be a matter of running an effective campaign...which Martha Coakley did not do, but Elizabeth Warren did. MA Dems have learned a lot form the Brown/Coakley special election, and now realize that GOTV is absolutely essential - especially in special elections, where turnout is typically low.

polmaven

(9,463 posts)
29. Yep!
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:17 PM
Dec 2012

She seemed to assume that the seat was hers for the taking because she is a Democrat. She ran a horrible campaign, even going out of the country on vacation during the closing weeks.

LiberalFighter

(51,104 posts)
30. That doesn't send a very good message to the voters
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 06:41 PM
Dec 2012

If she thought a vacation was more important than seeking out their vote.

polmaven

(9,463 posts)
31. Exactly.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:24 PM
Dec 2012

She took it for granted that she would win Teddy's seat because she is a Democrat. It backfired on her bigtime.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
15. I really don't see the point in wasting time and money electing people to the senate if Obama's just
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:57 AM
Dec 2012

going to stick them in his cabinet. This has cost us dearly in the past and he seems to have absolutely no concern about it. There are real people who are not in the senate who could actually hold these jobs but apparently thats not good enough for the president.

It just makes me tired and discouraged. Why even bother? Just give the senate to the assholes and be done with it.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
24. Hilary Clinton and Ken Salazar of Colorado.....
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:53 PM
Dec 2012

While Clintons' New York seat was relatively safe, it still cost a bundle to keep and Salazars' in Colorado was very nearly lost. Plus Obama gave Arizona Jan Brewer as governor because he had to have Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security. Aren't there any retired senators, governors, college presidents, diplomats or Nobel prize winners he can choose from without raiding current office holders?

And remember, Massachusetts has a long history of electing so-called "moderate" governors from 1990-2006. For a supposed safely liberal state they often disappoint.

I'm just venting. Its a pain in the ass to have people work so hard and sacrifice so much to win these seats just to see them put up for grabs-and 2014 is going to be another awful year with far more Democratic senators running for re-election.

on edit: he also almost cost us Bidens' seat in Delaware (thank God for Christine O'Donnell being a nutcase) and we did lose his own senate seat in Illinois..

Tutonic

(2,522 posts)
16. Put a Kennedy up against him and he's toast. And the Kennedy's are not
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:00 PM
Dec 2012

about to let that seat fall into the hands of Toolboy.

Texin

(2,599 posts)
18. They couldn't do anything about it two years ago.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:49 PM
Dec 2012

And who do the Kennedys have that could run? Is there anyone remaining in the family in that state that could mount a legitimate political campaign. I know that people have mentioned Vicki Kennedy as a possibility recently, but they certainly didn't move in that direction back then. It's not unusual for the widow of a politician to be named to fill their deceased husband's seat in government, but they didn't back then. Why now? Would she even have a prayer of a chance?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
27. Many of us argued this point well before the polling came out. A DU'er that I respect greatly.....
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012

said that Obama owed Kerry BIG TIME. I don't get where that mindset comes from. No one is "owed" anything. If I were Harry Reid, I'd be really concerned about this, unless they change the rules of the Senate next year. I don't want to see Brown's smirking ass-face back in the chamber. No Way!

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
28. Of course he would. Obama would not be on the ticket.
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:15 PM
Dec 2012

Let's face it, many of the people that voted for the President only voted because he was on the ballot. We lost 2010 not because liberals stayed home but because all those minorities and young voters that came out to vote for Obama didn't come out in the midterms.

We only turn out strong for Presidential elections. The Republicans come out the same for every election. Unless the President keeps that ground game out there are stresses over and over that voting for Dems in the mids is the same as voting for him "one last time" we're going to get killed again in '14.

As I said from the second Kerry was being considered, making him SoS gives the seat right back to Brown. It's a poor strategic move.

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