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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:23 PM Feb 2013

GOP to Reid: Thanks for caving on filibuster reform, we will now destroy the Consumer Financial Prot

GOP to Reid: Thanks for caving on filibuster reform, we will now destroy the Consumer Financial Protection Board

The Senate minority exercises its right to block an agency from functioning because they don't like it

BY ALEX PAREENE


It was very fitting that pretty much immediately after Harry Reid ended the possibility of filibuster reform in the more-sclerotic-than-ever U.S. Senate, a Republican appointee-run court effectively killed the recess appointment. Reid cut a “deal” on filibusters that actually strengthened the 60-vote threshold, by legitimizing what had been widely seen by non-senators as unprecedented abuse of Senate rules. All the deal does is speed up the process of breaking a filibuster with 60 votes, making the act of forcing a 60-vote threshold on all Senate business — something that rapidly became the new normal — even more painless than it was before.

Right after Mitch McConnell was granted unelected co-leadership of the Senate, the D.C. Court of Appeals announced that we’ve been doing this whole recess appointment thing all wrong for the last century or so, and that the Founders only intended for presidents to make recess appointments during “the Recess,” between sessions, and only of positions that became vacant during that recess. This allows Senate Republicans to totally prevent Barack Obama from appointing anyone to the National Labor Relations Board and the newly created Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Not just “people Republicans disapprove of,” but anyone at all, because Republicans disapprove of those two agencies carrying out their missions.

Now, naturally, after Reid cut the deal allowing them to do so without consequences, Republicans wasted no time in announcing their intention to prevent Barack Obama from appointing anyone to run the CFPB unless he effectively restructures the agency to not serve its purpose. This is, as a couple of others have noted, effectively “nullification,” and it’s generally frowned upon by fans of functioning republican forms of government.

The signs of the total normalization of what would have been considered a shocking violation of political norms just a few years ago are all over the Reuters story on Republican intentions. The story presents it as a typical political fight, one side against the other, both lobbing accusations and impugning the motives of the other. One subheadline reads, helpfully, “POLITICS AT PLAY.” Typical Washington, always with the politics! Why can’t No Labels just get these jokers to get along?

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http://www.salon.com/2013/02/04/gop_to_reid_thanks_for_caving_on_filibuster_reform_we_will_now_destroy_the_consumer_financial_protection_board/
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GOP to Reid: Thanks for caving on filibuster reform, we will now destroy the Consumer Financial Prot (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
That's how Reid works atreides1 Feb 2013 #1
You seem to assume this is not the outcome Reid wanted BlueStreak Feb 2013 #2
Yup. Good-cop/Bad-cop tblue Feb 2013 #5
how dsc Feb 2013 #6
Easy BlueStreak Feb 2013 #7
And in the case of Levin dsc Feb 2013 #8
LBJ never had a problem with it. But he wasn't a wuss. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #9
Johnson could end your career dsc Feb 2013 #10
McConnell is able to get 100% compliance any time he wants it. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #11
Maybe Reid can send xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #3
I don't ever want to hear him complain tblue Feb 2013 #4

atreides1

(16,082 posts)
1. That's how Reid works
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:26 PM
Feb 2013

And his ability to lead has helped in keeping his pwoder dry for years...now all he needs is a musket!

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
2. You seem to assume this is not the outcome Reid wanted
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:29 PM
Feb 2013

And it is not just Reid. There were 8 DINOs who undermined the filibuster reform. I have no doubt that if Obama and Reid actually wanted to see this reform, they could have twisted those 7 other arms and made it happen. But they didn't. How many more times do you need to see this story play out?

They chose not to reform because their backers like the status quo, and it preserves the grandstanding position that nothing gets done because of Republican intransigence. It is what third-way Democrats call a win-win. Not for us -- for them.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
5. Yup. Good-cop/Bad-cop
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:39 PM
Feb 2013

They play us for suckers.

True Democrats don't control either house then. So we have a useless government, which is exactly what Republicans want.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
6. how
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:52 PM
Feb 2013

Tell me how Leahy, Boxer, Feinstein, and Levin can be arm twisted by either Reid or Obama. I would love to hear it.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
7. Easy
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

Ask LBJ. OK he's dead, but the answers are simple. Committee assignments. Withhold pork. Threaten to not put the Senator's favorite bills on the docket. Etc. And at some level, if the President really wants that, those Senators are not going to go against him.

If Obama doesn't know how to make that happen by now, he's an idiot. And he is not an idiot, so the only possible conclusion is that both Obama and Reid actually wanted it to turn out this way.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
8. And in the case of Levin
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:08 AM
Feb 2013

he says fine I retire, and Snyder will name my replacement. Have fun being majority leader in 2015. Leahy says fine I'll take the Appropriations chair instead of Judiciary and move the federal government to Vermont. As to Committee assignments they are typicaly based on seniority and those are some of the most senior Dems in the Senate. In an age of people raising their own money it is much harder to enforce party discipline.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
9. LBJ never had a problem with it. But he wasn't a wuss.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:11 AM
Feb 2013

It is probably time for those guys to go anyway. No time like the present for recruiting some fresh blood.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
10. Johnson could end your career
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:14 AM
Feb 2013

Nominations could be denied, machines could be used to end your career. Now Boxer and Feinstein have their own machines.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
11. McConnell is able to get 100% compliance any time he wants it.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:36 AM
Feb 2013

I don't accept your argument that times have changed.

They "caved" on this issue because they wanted to cave. Simple as that. It is a cover-your-ass move. They figured they wouldn't get much past the House, so they want to be able to blame the Republicans for everything in BOTH the House and Senate.

Republicans and Democrats taking turns playing the roles of good cop and bad cop. It is just Kabuki theater. Meanwhile the people who are really in charge get everything they want.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
4. I don't ever want to hear him complain
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:33 PM
Feb 2013

about the Republicans filibustering. Don't come crying to me, Harry.

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