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babylonsister

(171,091 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:26 PM Apr 2012

Debunking Romney’s Claim That It’s Obama’s War On Women (CHARTS)

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Debunking Romney’s Claim That It’s Obama’s War On Women (CHARTS)
Brian Beutler April 11, 2012, 3:10 PM


Mitt Romney’s having a terrible time turning the tables on Democrats. But his camp’s claim that President Obama is the one waging the “real war on women” is best debunked visually.

With thanks to economist Justin Wolfers for the idea, the below graphs compare male and female employment metrics. The former, charting percent change in total monthly payrolls, shows what economists have known for quite some time. Male-dominated industries took a hard, early hit during the recession. As those industries rebound, more jobs are going to men than to women. Conversely, women lost a huge number of jobs in states and municipalities as a result of teacher layoffs — a hemorrhaging that could have been stanched by Obama-proposed legislation to spur teacher hiring, which the GOP blocked.



At a White House briefing on women and the economy last week, a senior administration official grappled with this issue.

You look at the unemployment rates right now, for women it’s 8.2 percent, for men it’s 8.3, so they’re in similar position in terms of the economic recovery. Initially, as you said, it was disproportionately men losing their jobs, even more than a normal recession because of the implosion of the construction sector. And then in the first phase, the recovery started first for men before it did for women. So for a while when we were very strongly lagging in terms of job growth, that started to turn around in the last six months to a year with women starting to catch up to the type of job growth men are having. If you look at places like the Institute for Women’s Policy Research … ringing the warning bells on jobless recovery for women, their most recent reports have been much more positive about how it took a little bit longer but women are coming back in terms of jobs. But certainly we don’t fully understand the timing and that pattern. That’s why we’re continuing to push for things like teacher jobs, which is a lot of the job loss has been state and local — private jobs are adding jobs, state and local are still losing them. They’re losing them at a somewhat slower rate, but they’re still losing them and that disproportionately affects women.


Nevertheless, male employment and female employment have nearly returned to the levels they were at when Obama took office. And if Obama is waging a war on women, he’s doing a poor job of it. Despite these setbacks, female labor force participation remains near its historic high.

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Debunking Romney’s Claim That It’s Obama’s War On Women (CHARTS) (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2012 OP
Look to Duncam about the loss of teacher jobs Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #1
I really suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #2
Charts are actually necessary to debunk this? Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #3
I think they are; you know some willfully ignorant people will babylonsister Apr 2012 #4
Point taken Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #5
I've been posting a bit about jobs recently... mathematic Apr 2012 #6
Romney is desperate Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #7
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. I really suspect ...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:43 PM
Apr 2012

that the gop "brain trust(s)" sit in a black light lit basement, listening to Pink Floyd, smoking some really good weed, as they conduct talking point strategy meetings. I can just hear them, giggling as they ask, then discount, whether their faithful will even question the validity of the talking point.

(Hey, I really do like PF and used to REALLY like the weed; I only mentioning them for their psychedelic effect ... that and I recall making some REALLY bad decisions after combining the two.)

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
3. Charts are actually necessary to debunk this?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:43 PM
Apr 2012

This idiotic claim falls under the mildest of critical thinking IMHO.

babylonsister

(171,091 posts)
4. I think they are; you know some willfully ignorant people will
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:04 PM
Apr 2012

believe anything negative they're told about the President.

mathematic

(1,440 posts)
6. I've been posting a bit about jobs recently...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:31 PM
Apr 2012

and how the recession and recovery has been different for men and women. When I heard this latest romney stat my first thought was "that's got to be some horrible abuse of statistics".

That first graph really does a great job of telling the story. Romney's reasoning is so whack that after next month's report (where I expect continued small improvements for both men and women) men will have gained jobs during the obama administration while women will still be slightly below and Romney could claim that women had all the job losses during the obama administration! Obviously an absurd characterization.

Here's where things get ha-ha funny. In a few months both men AND women will have recovered all the jobs lost since the beginning of the obama administration. The romney campaign is basically conceding that this is an appropriate way of looking at the recovery. So when obama comes back in the summer and says "we created more jobs for both men and women" what's romney going to say? "It doesn't count now"? Actually that'd be pretty typical romney.

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