2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGinsburg says she'll serve at least 2 more years
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/04/ruth-bader-ginsburg-says-shes-got-at-least-two-years-left/I love Justice Ginsburg but i really, really hope she steps down before the 2014-2015 term...Please...Can't let a repuke name her replacement...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)DFW
(54,437 posts)Early 2015 is still almost two years before Obama's second term is up. That's time enough.
Fighting pancreatic cancer is an uphill battle. I'm amazed she's still out there slogging away. My dad had it, and was lucky to last 10 months after diagnosis.
still_one
(92,404 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)which we probably will.
Obama will have an even harder time getting a justice confirmed who's at least somewhat progressive.
still_one
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States in 2012
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)still_one
(92,404 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)eventually, everyone dies. Even members of SCOTUS.
And if she hangs on to the bitter end, she'll be increasing the odds that her replacement will be appointed by a Rethug.
still_one
(92,404 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)There are 21 Ds and 14 Rs up for election in 2014. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2014
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)She could easily wait till it's too late for Obama to replace her.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)That should be obvious at this point.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)BUT there will be a WW III confirmation battle if President Obama gets to replace Scalia, Thomas, or Kennedy...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)won't want to pass either.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)As much as Republicans are keen on obstructing, they know that filibustering a Supreme Court nominee for ideological reasons would force the hand of the Majority Leader to make rule changes. Reid is a spineless wimp in that department, of course, but the direction of the court for the next 2 decades is a big stake that even his hand would be forced.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)but the Vichy Democrats have sold us out so many times.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)She is not in good health. Her position is too important to be risked like that. Personally, she should have dropped off the court during Obama's first two years when we had a 60 seat majority.
We ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE 55 Senators in the 2015 Congress. By delaying the inevitable, she puts everything we fight for in unnecessary jeopardy.
I use to have a lot of respect for Ginsberg. But seeing how she has handled this over the last few years, I now understand that it is all about her...... and not the causes we are suppose to be fighting for.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)This is why we lose so often. We are not as politically savvy as the GOP. I fear both Breyer and Ginsburg will hold on too long. And people most remember, even with a Hillary Clinton Presidency in 2016, if the Senate is GOP, their replacements will not be of equal value.
Can anyone say "blue dog?"
Both of them are selfish.
Since we had the 60 seat majority in Obama's first term, every single day they remain on that court, the court moves further to the right. I hope they are happy.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)its just that Democrats are too nice, they always want to be the Republicans buddy instead of treating them like the enemy...
CincyDem
(6,386 posts)It always seems that Repubs are focused on the end goal and rarely waiver in the steps. At the same time, Democrats usually seem to worry about everything and anything in every step, so much so that we're still at the starting gate arguing about why color running shoes we're going to wear while the Repubs are halfway around the track.
It seems to me that it's been a long time since we've had a "predatory" democratic leader - one who is willing to do whatever it takes to drive a progressive agenda, not just work to slow a conservative agenda.
bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)Because, as a savvy Republican, we wanted to make sure that a Republican replaced him? Pretty shrewd!
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)She's not irreplaceable, and the longer she waits, the less likely we'll get someone decent in to replace her.
uncle ray
(3,157 posts)either that, or you are wrong by a magnitude of 10.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)She should have dropped off the court. It would have been easier to find a younger, more fit replacement for her during Obama's first 2 years.
The longer she waits, the more difficult it will be replacing her. And as another poster has pointed out, winning the WH 3 consecutive years has rarely been done. What if we lose the WH in 2016? We could be looking at a court 6-3 or 7-2 against us for another generation.
Like I said before, she is selfish. When you get into positions of this importance, you have to think about issues beyond your personal ego. Sadly, she is clearly incapable of doing that.
uncle ray
(3,157 posts)yeah, i GOT that.
I have no problem with you offering your opinion on RBG's ego. i am pointing out that you are making up your own facts and timeline.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Anyone who values the importance of the court knows it would have been better for her to drop off years ago. And the longer she waits, the more difficult it will be to get a suitable replacement in place.
dsc
(52,166 posts)but it does. It is hard to get 3 terms in a row for a party. In the early history you had the six terms from Jefferson through Monroe, but that was due as much to the collapse of the opposition party as it was to the success of the winning party. Then you have the Jackson - Van Buren era. After that it took until the post civil war era (Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur). Then the early 20th century (McKinley, Roosevelt, Taft). Finally Depression and WW2 (Roosevelt Truman). Nearly all of those periods resulted from the utter collapse of the opposing party, the opposing party being on the wrong side of civil war, FDR's singular charisma. Only the Reagan, Bush 12 year hold was a normal type thing. Counting on Obama being followed by a Democrat is risky.
bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Ruth Bader Ginsburg: No Plans To Step Down From Supreme Court Yet
The thought of retirement is on Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's mind, she told The New Yorker's Jeffrey Toobin in an interview for an upcoming profile. But while she's clearly contemplating the timing of her departure, the 79-year-old cancer survivor says she won't be going anywhere just yet.
"There will come a point when I -- It's not this year. You can never tell when you're my age," Ginsburg said. "But, as long as I think I have the candlepower, I will do it. And I figure next year for certain. After that, who knows?"
Ginsburg will turn 80 later this month, and despite battling through two bouts of cancer, has never missed a day on the bench in her nearly 20 years of service. She's maintained that she won't step aside as long as her health allows her to serve to the fullest ability.
I will stay in this job as long as I can do it full steam, Ginsburg said last month during a speech before the San Diego Association of Business Trial Lawyers. She repeated this pledge to Toobin.
One of the court's four liberal-leaning justices, Ginsburg also told Toobin that the party of the president would play into her decision about stepping down, perhaps suggesting that she'd retire at some point during President Barack Obama's second term.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/ruth-bader-ginsburg_n_2805931.html
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)of the position.
Lets hope Ginsburg has 20 years of service left in her, lives to be a healthy 108
And the SC GOP buddies have their frequent Koch funded lovely resort meetings under the global warming massive extreme weather lightning storms.
madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)She loves being important, being followed around by the Secret Service, having the title and the perks. I have no respect for her. She has been a great Supreme Court Justice and the country is a better place for her service, but she needs to step down and allow President Obama to appoint someone who can serve and help shape the court for decades to come.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)too man--LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE have stayed on past their prime.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)she should resign while the Senate and its committees are in Dem hands.