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(47,485 posts)
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 01:26 PM Mar 2013

Marriage Cases May Hinge on Procedure

In 1793, George Washington's administration asked the Supreme Court for help interpreting treaties. The court politely declined, telling the first president that it was in business to resolve actual disputes, not to give advice. Based on this week's Supreme Court arguments in two same-sex marriage cases, that precedent on judicial procedure—rather than the landmark cases on individual rights looming over the public debate—could play a role in resolving challenges to state and federal laws limiting marriage to heterosexuals.

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Chief Justice John Roberts was harsher still, suggesting President Barack Obama should have stopped enforcing the law and describing Mr. Obama's attitude as, "We'll wait till the Supreme Court tells us we have no choice.." A third party defended the federal marriage restriction—the Republican-controlled House of Representatives. But the court has almost always forbidden individuals and groups from litigating unless they can show how they personally were injured by the challenged conduct. Paul Clement, the lawyer representing the House, said Congress had an interest in seeing the laws it passes enforced. But several justices fretted over the prospect of legislative chambers second-guessing the government's litigation positions and entering cases as a sort of shadow executive branch.

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In the California case, the state didn't appeal after a federal district court ruled Proposition 8 unconstitutional. Private citizens who sponsored the 2008 voter initiative stepped in to defend it, something authorized by California law. But on Tuesday, justices said that federal courts had their own requirements for legal standing that were not controlled by state law. And some doubted whether the private citizens met them.

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But if the court dismisses the cases for lack of jurisdiction, the message would be one regarding the structure of government rather than civil rights. And it would be that if the executive charged with defending the government's laws concludes a law can't be defended, the remedy for those who disagree would be the ballot box, not the courthouse.

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Marriage Cases May Hinge on Procedure (Original Post) question everything Mar 2013 OP
If it dismissed on a procedural basis davidpdx Mar 2013 #1
Yes, this is my understanding question everything Mar 2013 #2
Ok, thanks davidpdx Mar 2013 #3
It sucks but it's an important check on the power of the Supreme Court. Hosnon Mar 2013 #4
True, it could be almost any kind of case that would set the ball rolling for a legal battle davidpdx Mar 2013 #5

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
1. If it dismissed on a procedural basis
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:41 PM
Mar 2013

Then essentially the actual question of gay marriage would be put off until a later case only allowing those states where it is legal to remain legal. Is that correct?

question everything

(47,485 posts)
2. Yes, this is my understanding
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 10:53 PM
Mar 2013

The court is looking to address the grievance of an injured party and if a citizen of, say, Maryland, is unhappy with the recent legalization of same sex marriage, he really cannot claim to be an injured party.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
3. Ok, thanks
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:06 AM
Mar 2013

It sucks that they'd be essentially kicking the can down the road. Then again it will be interesting to see if the laws in other states that have been passed are challenged by Republicans. That actually could be in our favor if say the case was heard after another justice was appointed by Obama (assuming he gets to replaces one of the conservatives). A solid liberal majority on the SC could mean a wider ruling.

I guess it's all speculation until they rule in June and we know more.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
4. It sucks but it's an important check on the power of the Supreme Court.
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:46 AM
Mar 2013

They only get to rule on things that come before them.

Full legaization of gay marriage will likely come when a couple gets married in California and tries to exercise a legal right in, say, Georgia, that is restricted to married couples (e.g., joint bankruptcy).

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
5. True, it could be almost any kind of case that would set the ball rolling for a legal battle
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:09 AM
Mar 2013

including maybe one for federal benefits. I'm sure though the Republicans will find something to challenge so it ends up back in court though. If they lose on a procedural basis that's going to piss them off.

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