allows democrat congressmen to go on record as opposing. It also puts seniors back in the discussion. The gop is a threat to seniors and they don't even know it. By putting ccpi on the table, their interests get put up for discussion and hopefully makes them aware of other cuts the gop is planning. I think the seniors feel safe as touching soc sec has always been taboo. Many times it's been a democrat program that benefits the gop voters. Yes, it shows that Obama is willing to compromise, but i've noticed that all his compromises ?involve things that can be changed after the next round of elections. Move soc security age to 67? let it happen, it can be changed before it takes effect. Chained ccpi? won't take effect, doma fight? he said he was willing to consider removing it from immigration bill if it kept the bill from passing. but guess what? if scotus shoots down doma it won't matter. You're right, we need to support him and stick together on everything right now. The economy is holding back a good expansion and the gop knows it. Their worst nightmare is a good economy next election. It is more important to get the budget passed so we can all benefit now and let the voters put in people who will do right by social security. If i'm broke, i'm going to reduce the amount I give to the 401k to pay the electric bill. It just makes sense. Also, let the gop position of increasing social security age needs to be put forth to the voters. Let them tell the voters they want to do this, not hide it in some bill. let them suffer the fate of the decisions they make, Obama doesn't need to be re-elected. They do.

You get it!

this falls into the basement?

I've posted my thoughts, probably fifty-eleven times, and there is never any cogent refutations ... just crickets and the basement.

"my response to dems who oppose obama's ccpi". tonight I had a minute, but sometimes I just scan over and look for topics. Also, when you post is significant. If people don't catch it within an hour or so it goes to the bottom of the barrel. I don't look at who posts articles/opinions but i'm sure some do. Once you're better known more will read, i'm sure. To get responses, make sure to ask a specific question, like "how do you respond to his critics" or (and people love to give their opinion) what would you add when countering the debate from anti-cccp posts?
As you can see from my comments, i'm one of those who love to give my opinion

Noted and applied.

Several times, when I suggested that they put themselves in the president's place, or think like a member of congress, by considering what to give in the negotiations, in order to stop ______________________ (e.g. ccpi or whatever), I received no answers - as though what the process itself is, that's the processes by means of which these decisions are made, makes NO difference whatsoever and the ONLY question is what's on our list for santa claus. And anyone who suggests otherwise may be regarded as unprincipled, when, in fact, the truest principles are the ones that are maintained at all times, but especially most in the face of the opposition, engaged "in their camp", so to speak, throughout the months and months of this struggle.

There's little consideration of H - O - W what they want is supposed to happen. That's so something, . . . so weird. The only thought given to how to make things happen or not happen appears to consist of, to the effect, "I'm staying home, not voting, not volunteering, voting 3rd party . . . " that kind of stuff is part of exactly why we are in this situation and instant gratification on whatever issue, even if we could achieve it, won't actually work in the long run, because it results in phony showboat "fixes" that fold, or worse yet stagger on for years costing money and not producing what we need.

Yes, the reason things are like this is corporate personhood, but let's be very clear, corporate personhood would not have achieved what it has achieved if active, committed, fully informed, responsible citizenship had not been generally vacated decades and decades ago.

So kicking and screaming and threatening really only serve to make one's position worse; it weakens whatever issue position one is raising hell about, because it communicates weakness to the opposition, who then KNOW, ABSOLUTELY know for certain sure, that all they have to do is wait.

This is what puzzles me the most about some of the stuff that gets going on here: why are people appearing to act in a manner that defeats the issue they claim to prioritize? "Opt out, don't vote, don't enable, let things crash and destroy the government/the system and then 'start over'" isn't going to be what some people appear to imply (though I have never see any formulation of what people expect that's going to be like - and people here won't tell you about their vision & timeline if you ask them), whatever one's issues priorities are, in a destroyed government/system are going to have much much LESS advantage if "we" "start over". It's almost impossible to project the goals of "starting over" and there's certainly no likely projection that "the Left" will just spring fully formed from the ashes of the status quo and, yet, we have lots of people who appear to be more intent upon destruction: why is that?

1) Trolling

2) Immaturity

3) Ignorance

I've also noticed that this post, and the fifty-eleven posts that presented the same argument, is being largely ignored by the most vocal of anti-President Obama posters. I wonder, why is that?

It leads me to believe that, either: I am on several ignore lists, or, they have no counter argument.

but it probably would've gotten more attention in GD. Either way, you hit it on the money. I would add that on those "hair on fire" posts, people conveniently neglect to mention the fact that there is more to his proposal than just CPI. They act as if it's some lopsided deal, when there are things such as additional tax revenue and universal pre-schooling that the Left typically supports. Also for a president that is supposedly eager to cut entitlements, he has had over 4 years to do it and an opposition party ready to help him. I have been saying repeatedly that this deal doesn't look as delicious to the GOP as some on the Left may believe.

strategy be damned ... NO REAL DEMOCRAT WOULD EVER PUT "ENTITLEMENTS" ON THE TABLE, EVER!!!!!!!!



But we will see ... I'm gonna post this in the GD. Let's see what happens.