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Michelle Obamas heckler winThe first lady shuts down a protester and triumphs over rudeness
BY MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS
When Michelle Obama declared last summer at the Democratic National Convention that At the end of the day, my most important title is still mom in chief, she was not kidding around. Case in point the impromptu lesson in manners she gave a heckler Tuesday evening.
As the New York Times reports, Mrs. Obama was speaking before a group of approximately 200 supporters at a Democratic fundraiser in a private home in northwest Washington when she was interrupted by a protester. But when the woman, later identified as Ellen Sturtz, a member of the LGBT rights group GetEQUAL, shouted for the president to issue an executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating against employees based on sexual orientation or gender identity, the first lady wasnt having it. She reportedly left her place at the lectern and moved toward Sturtz, saying, One of the things I dont do well is this. And then, quite well, she said, Listen to me, or you can take the mic, but Im leaving. You all decide. You have one choice. With that, the crowd began shouting for Mrs. Obama to stay put, and Sturtz was escorted out, still yelling and calling herself a lesbian looking for federal equality before I die.
For a woman whose etiquette is not always perfection, Michelle Obamas sense of decorum is flawless. And the first ladys response had a firm conviction thats familiar to many parents. It was the determined tone of a woman who, swear to God, will turn this car around RIGHT NOW if you cant control yourselves. I dont know where Sturtz went after her tussle, but Id have instinctively gone straight to my room.
In a press release today, GetEQUAL quotes Sturtz, who they say interacted with the First Lady. She explains her actions by saying, I simply couldnt stay silent any longer. And she did manage to draw attention to the issue. But she did it by being rude and boorish, so wheres the satisfaction in that?
full article
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/michelle_obamas_heckler_win/
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)The heckling happened a bit after 6 p.m. under a white tent in the backyard of the residence of Karen Dixon and Nan Schaffer in Northwest DC. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, also was in attendance at the event, which benefits the DNC.
The incident came hours after White House press secretary Jay Carney reiterated the presidents focus being on legislation, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, that would ban most private employers from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, and not the proposed executive order
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/michelle-obama-heckled-for-presidents-inaction-on-proposed-l
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)potus needs to grow a spine and sign the executive order.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Remember when everyone wanted Obama to sign an EO regarding DADT - but he wanted legislation instead.
Obama waited for Congress to pass legislation and although it took longer everything turned out for the better.
Legislation is harder to repeal than an EO.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Like many of the "activists", you seem all to ready to let Congress off the hook. I remember in the bad old days when Bush was roundly criticized here for governing through signing statements & executive orders, to get around Congress. I'm absolutely gobsmacked at the number of instances where "liberals" are calling on this POTUS to "issue an executive order" when the issue affects them personally.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)They wont work with the President when it comes to this. Sign an executive order and make sure we keep the White House and take control of congress.
You probably would have whined when Truman used an executive order to desegregate the military or Johnson used an executive order for affirmative action.
Cha
(297,270 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)All gays to the back of the bus, don't upset the apple cart, take what your given and be grateful.
Silly me for thinking Obama would be a great President like Truman or Johnson.
Cha
(297,270 posts)PBO. I'm just sayin' .. he has a spine so that has nothing to do with what's going on now.
Has done more for THE WHOLE COUNTRY than President Obama.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Updated: 1/13/09 10:26 AM EDT
President-elect Barack Obama is expected to move swiftly to reverse executive orders regarding torture of terror suspects, the military prison at Guantanamo Bay and other controversial security policies, sources close to his transition said, in dramatic gestures aimed at reversing President Bushs accumulation of executive power.
Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) said hes been informed that President Obama will support his proposed legislation to make public some opinions from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, which issued some of the Bush Administration's most sweeping claims of executive power. Obama also has promised to limit President Bush's practice of using "signing statements" to amend legislation.
"Every day we get indications that they're serious about reversing the abuses of the Constitution," Feingold, a harsh Bush critic, told Politico. Feingold said he thinks Obama is likely to issue executive orders rapidly reversing Bush policies, and others have indicate that those will likely cover the interrogation and detention of terror suspects, and keeping the records of past presidents secret.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17365.html
And if 45 is not a Democrat, you can bet the headline will be;
45 to reverse 44's executive order banning discrimination against gays
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I hadn't seen this.
My opinion of her and her tactics has fallen even lower.
Also, good for Code Pink for backtracking their early tweets and properly smacking down her rudeness.
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)She has hurt her cause by essentially setting fire to a bridge to someone that was willing to help the cause. Getting the whole pie at the same time usually doesn't happen. Obama will likely be the better person just like his wife by not punishing their group.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)Should we also proclaim that the First Lady triumphed over civil disobedience?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Not a very smart approach.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)You may not like that she was targeted; but she is not above or beyond deserving a heckle from one of the commoners or little people. She may be First Lady; but she is no better than you or me.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)And had their ass handed to them for being rude little shits who are doing NOTHING for a good cause with such childish behavior.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)MO does not set policy.
But hey, stupid isn't illegal.
Cha
(297,270 posts)speaking about Inner City Kids or leave.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)is the refusal to follow unjust laws. This was not civil disobedience - it was pure rudeness.
Did Gandhi yell at non-elected figures? Did King? You elevate what this woman did far beyond what it deserves. She was a loudmouthed jerk who did nothing to assist her cause.
Every public or even semi-public appearance by notable people should not be a free-for-all for self-aggrandizing assholes to hijack the occasion.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)It required unbelievable amounts of dignity and inner strength for people in the civil rights movement to NOT scream or fight back. Of that I am sure.
They exposed how cruel and unjust the system was.
They showed that no one can take away your dignity.
You have to give that away yourself.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)This woman is talking about contractors. I'm thinking this might need to have its own law because if it was just that simple Obama would've done it already.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)They're IMPORTANT people!!
Cha
(297,270 posts)"I believe in vigorous debate and fighting with all the passion we have for the issues that matter. And that is not possible when we are selfish, self-appointed arbiters of what the person in the front of the room with the microphone ought to be talking about. There is plenty to be pissed off about in this world. Im in the Yes to Equal Rights, No to Rape camp too. I think that Rick Santorum actually looks better covered in a sparkly dusting of glitter. But the moment we play the I just couldnt help myself card we shut down meaningful conversation. Yelling at someone is not interaction. Sure, we get noticed, but its easy to get noticed. A no-nonsense mom like Michelle Obama could tell you that any 2-year-old in a WalMart can get noticed just by throwing herself on the floor of the sporting goods aisle. That doesnt mean anybody is going to take her seriously."
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Those who support her and her obnoxious behavior should realize that and stop running around calling people bigots.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)who interrupt First Ladies speeches and is going to have hearings on the Michelle Obama scandal early next week. He invited GOProud to represent victims of Michelle Obama's uppity back talk.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)I have been to uncountable
political events, and IMO most
'spontaneous floor demonstrations'
are kinda fishy.
just my 2 cents
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)-snip-
Update at 8:50 p.m.: Get Equals Heather Cronk confirmed to BuzzFeed that the activist organization planned the heckling. The activist was identified to the pool reporter by Cronk as Ellen Sturtz.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/michelle-obama-heckled-for-presidents-inaction-on-proposed-l
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Isn't different than any other firat lady....she isn't the first or the last.
The differences in the way the POTUS and the FLOTUS reacted to the protesters speaks volumes.
hamster
(101 posts)She's MICHELLE OBAMA, wife of PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. She's different in the fact that she's the wife of the Best. President. Ever.
You aren't serious , are you? ???????
He is our guy but in no way is he perfect....and the status of best ever is for history to decide.
hamster
(101 posts)As far as history goes, up until this point there hasn't been any leader near as close to being smart, dedicated, and cool as PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. I have his back. We all need to have his back.
marshall
(6,665 posts)She'll get more attention than she ever ever wanted.