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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114028/obamacare-sabotage-watch-conservative-campaign-gets-realThe Right's Latest Scheme to Sabotage Obamacare
BY JONATHAN COHN
It was one thing when Obamcare critics started fighting attempts to educate people about the law's insurance optionswarning sports leagues not to promote the new benefits, for example, or criticizing states undertaking outreach efforts of their own. Now some conservatives are taking it a step farther. They're launching campaigns designed to discourage young people from using the law to get insurance. Via David Morgan of Reuters:
"We're trying to make it socially acceptable to skip the exchange," said Dean Clancy, vice president for public policy at FreedomWorks, which boasts 6 million supporters. The group is designing a symbolic "Obamacare card" that college students can burn during campus protests.
Brian Beutler is aghast. So is Kevin Drum: "What's next? A campaign to get people to skip wearing seat belts? To skip using baby seats in cars?" Drum also wants to know whether FreedomWorks "plans to help out the first person who takes them up on this and then contracts leukemia." A good quesiton, that.
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We can debate honestly, and constructively, whether Obamacare gets the prices and penalties for this responsiblity rightand, if not, whether those should be adjusted. But the basic idea that Republican leaders are protesting so intensely is one that you would expect the defenders of "personal responsiblity" to supportand one, until recently, many of them did support. It's enough to make you wonder how much of this opposition is about Obamacare, and how much is about the guy who signed it into law.
Jonathan Cohn is a senior editor at the New Republic. Follow him on twitter @CitizenCohn
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,436 posts)Hope it backfires horribly for them.
Raven
(13,899 posts)these people.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)"Hey kids, having health-insurance is a sign of oppression, like bras are a sign of the oppression of womenkind! Here's a symbolic card you can burn to vent your anger over that evil government-overreach. You dig my message, homie?"
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,436 posts)It's just weird how much they hate people having the means to care for themselves. I was always raised to believe that having some kind of health insurance coverage for myself (and my family) was the RESPONSIBLE thing to do because EVERYBODY occasionally gets sick and needs to go visit the doctor and maybe even have a test run to make sure that that symptom you're having isn't a sign of something serious. Of course, coverage wasn't quite expensive and didn't suck as much at one time but hopefully that problem is on the way to being fixed thanks to Obamacare.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)premiums if they wait to get coverage. The problem now is that they can wait until they are older and/or have an illness to get coverage. If that's the case, why not risk it? If they don't join now, their premiums should be higher later to make up for the additional risk. That's how insurance works.
I've read that the key to getting the younger generation to join is to get their moms involved. I think it's crucial too for those of us who have experiences to share do so.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)no doubt this Freedomworks has money stacked away in the Cayman Islands?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)With a sizable republican presence. The other day, I overheard a couple of older, younger (than me) students (in the Starbucks waiting for coffee) discussing their opposition to being FORCED to purchase health insurance. They were livid and very animated.
Then, one of the more animated students got a call
she listened for a bit, said OK, thanks. She, then, looked in her purse said: {wait for it} Hey guys
can we stop at my room? My prescription is ready and I forgot my insurance card.
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)I'm a young person who they'd be targeting, only 27 years old, and I'd hate to imagine how deep in debt I'd be if I didn't have health insurance.
About three years ago I started to get some stomach problems, at first my stomach was unable to handle spicy foods and I'd just vomit it up. Then as a few months went by, I started vomiting up pretty much everything in my stomach once a day. In hindsight I should have gone to see a GI doctor months earlier. I got an appointment at the hospital for the GI doctor to look in my stomach and see what was wrong, and was quickly admitted to the hospital from there when they found total blockage from my stomach to my intestine. At that point I was so weak I could barely even stand up anymore.
It turns out the cause of my problem was peptic ulcers that almost completely blocked the path from my stomach to the intestine, so almost nothing except a bit of liquid could get through.
I ended up having to stay in the hospital for about a month, and was given way too bags of fluids/nutrients/etc to even count, because I wasn't allowed to eat or drink anything for most of that time except the last day or two. I also needed surgery to fix the problem, after their nonsurgical methods failed the first two weeks. They created another opening from another part of my intestine to my stomach, one unobstructed by peptic ulcers.
If I didn't have health insurance, then I'm sure each of those bags of IV fluids would have cost me at least $200 each on average, though some I know for a fact they charge over $500 without insurance, and the surgery itself would have probably cost me over $100,000. And then the other miscellaneous hospital expenses, like giving me a bed, and all the other tests and X Rays they performed on me were also quite expensive.
So I estimate I'd probably have a bill then over $250,000, which would be WAY more then my entire life savings, and WAY more then I've had taken out of my paycheck for the last 5 years for health insurance (a bit under $9,000).
former9thward
(32,068 posts)What is the problem with that since people can't be denied based on pre-existing conditions?