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Related: About this forumIt Took Guts, Stupid
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/4/28/9454/00263It Took Guts, Stupid
by BooMan
Sat Apr 28th, 2012 at 09:45:04 AM EST
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Not only did the president insert the Chinooks into the operational plan, but that decision proved critical to the success of the mission. Unless you expect the president to serve as the operational commander of our Special Forces, something he isn't trained to do, then I don't know what more you can demand from him.
He made a decision to intrude on Pakistan's sovereignty and to have commandos raid an armed compound in the middle of a city (Pakistan's version of West Point, no less) in the middle of the night. There was a chance that bin-Laden wasn't there. There was a chance that they'd kill innocent people. There was a chance that the commandos would be killed or captured. An international incident was assured regardless of the outcome of the raid. And Obama didn't have the cover of unanimity among his advisers. His defense secretary, a Republican, was against it.
He considered all that, and then he ordered the mission anyway. And it went according to plan. And the one thing that went wrong (the helicopter crash) was only put right because of Obama's intervention in the operational plan.
I ask you, in all honesty, what more could you possibly ask from a commander in chief than that he avenge the death of 3,000 innocent American victims by ordering a cross-border raid on uncertain intelligence, causing a row with one of our most uneasy allies, while making the operation tweak that led to success, and that it all turn out perfectly?
If you wanted to critique him for recklessness, that would be a better argument than to suggest he lacks guts.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)to free the hostages in Iran every time I think of the takeout of OBL.
Jeez, what a chance Obama took.
babylonsister
(171,075 posts)the hell w/the sour grapes rethugs.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,417 posts)would have been proudly celebrated by Bush/Cheney, as well as the rest of the GOP in the wake of a successful raid that resulted in the killing of OBL and NOBODY would have dared suggested that they lacked guts if they had pulled off this raid. Hell, there would be bills galore in Congress calling for Bush/Cheney to be added to Mt. Rushmore. A call to elevate them to godhood would not have been out of the question IMHO.
It must burn them up every single day that President Obama did in two years what the Bush/Cheney team couldn't do in 8. Republicans would be......unwise......to seriously try to attack President Obama on foreign policy grounds period.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)The Bin Laden Cover-Up: Pentagon Scrubs Documents to Hide Truth About Tracking bin Laden
Whistleblower says he was told to stop tracking Bin Laden and suspected al-Qaeda terrorists in the months prior to 9/11.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002620886
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)to transfer the success to Adm McRaven.
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/04/27/barack-obama-did-personally-not-kill-osama-bin-laden-in-the-parlor-with-a-candlestick/
It's such weak tea, even a teabagger would find it undrinkable.
KinMd
(966 posts)..I'm certain the Republicans would never have used that for political gain would they?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but in a situation like that where there was reasonable chance to get OBL then that is a chance worth taking.
You think flip-flopping, mealy-mouthed, say-anything-to-get-elected Romney would have had the guts to do it? I seriously doubt it. The most "gutsy" thing this guy ever did was to force the family dog to ride top-side.
Taylor Smite
(86 posts)This thing turns bad than its just like carter, which is what the Republicans want. I remember that night and thought it was really gutsy move. This raid fails, there goes any possibility for a second term plus it makes the US look incompetent in the War on Terror...this would also make the remainder of his term very difficult and it could increase the likelihood of attacks against US interests.
Yeah, all it takes is one brown-out or equipment failure. One small variable could have made this raid a disaster. So yes, its a gutsy call. Clinton even said 'I hope I would have made the same decision.'
Bush didnt do it. Obama did.