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babylonsister

(171,075 posts)
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:03 AM Apr 2012

It Took Guts, Stupid

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/4/28/9454/00263

It Took Guts, Stupid

by BooMan
Sat Apr 28th, 2012 at 09:45:04 AM EST



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Not only did the president insert the Chinooks into the operational plan, but that decision proved critical to the success of the mission. Unless you expect the president to serve as the operational commander of our Special Forces, something he isn't trained to do, then I don't know what more you can demand from him.

He made a decision to intrude on Pakistan's sovereignty and to have commandos raid an armed compound in the middle of a city (Pakistan's version of West Point, no less) in the middle of the night. There was a chance that bin-Laden wasn't there. There was a chance that they'd kill innocent people. There was a chance that the commandos would be killed or captured. An international incident was assured regardless of the outcome of the raid. And Obama didn't have the cover of unanimity among his advisers. His defense secretary, a Republican, was against it.

He considered all that, and then he ordered the mission anyway. And it went according to plan. And the one thing that went wrong (the helicopter crash) was only put right because of Obama's intervention in the operational plan.

I ask you, in all honesty, what more could you possibly ask from a commander in chief than that he avenge the death of 3,000 innocent American victims by ordering a cross-border raid on uncertain intelligence, causing a row with one of our most uneasy allies, while making the operation tweak that led to success, and that it all turn out perfectly?

If you wanted to critique him for recklessness, that would be a better argument than to suggest he lacks guts.
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It Took Guts, Stupid (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2012 OP
I get flashbacks to the disastrous Carter-era raid Jackpine Radical Apr 2012 #1
He sure did take a chance. I'm so glad it was successful, and babylonsister Apr 2012 #2
Such "recklessness" Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #3
The Bin Laden Cover-Up: Pentagon Scrubs Documents to Hide Truth About Tracking bin Laden Ian David Apr 2012 #4
Here's a pathetic attempt from a Breitbart blogger Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #5
If the raid on Osama's compound had gone bad... KinMd Apr 2012 #6
Indeed... "recklessness" would be a more legitimate argument. DCBob Apr 2012 #7
Carter....exactly Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #8

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. I get flashbacks to the disastrous Carter-era raid
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:08 AM
Apr 2012

to free the hostages in Iran every time I think of the takeout of OBL.

Jeez, what a chance Obama took.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,417 posts)
3. Such "recklessness"
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:12 AM
Apr 2012

would have been proudly celebrated by Bush/Cheney, as well as the rest of the GOP in the wake of a successful raid that resulted in the killing of OBL and NOBODY would have dared suggested that they lacked guts if they had pulled off this raid. Hell, there would be bills galore in Congress calling for Bush/Cheney to be added to Mt. Rushmore. A call to elevate them to godhood would not have been out of the question IMHO.


It must burn them up every single day that President Obama did in two years what the Bush/Cheney team couldn't do in 8. Republicans would be......unwise......to seriously try to attack President Obama on foreign policy grounds period.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
4. The Bin Laden Cover-Up: Pentagon Scrubs Documents to Hide Truth About Tracking bin Laden
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 10:16 AM
Apr 2012

The Bin Laden Cover-Up: Pentagon Scrubs Documents to Hide Truth About Tracking bin Laden
Whistleblower says he was told to stop tracking Bin Laden and suspected al-Qaeda terrorists in the months prior to 9/11.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002620886




KinMd

(966 posts)
6. If the raid on Osama's compound had gone bad...
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:37 PM
Apr 2012

..I'm certain the Republicans would never have used that for political gain would they?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. Indeed... "recklessness" would be a more legitimate argument.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:26 PM
Apr 2012

but in a situation like that where there was reasonable chance to get OBL then that is a chance worth taking.

You think flip-flopping, mealy-mouthed, say-anything-to-get-elected Romney would have had the guts to do it? I seriously doubt it. The most "gutsy" thing this guy ever did was to force the family dog to ride top-side.

 

Taylor Smite

(86 posts)
8. Carter....exactly
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:36 PM
Apr 2012

This thing turns bad than its just like carter, which is what the Republicans want. I remember that night and thought it was really gutsy move. This raid fails, there goes any possibility for a second term plus it makes the US look incompetent in the War on Terror...this would also make the remainder of his term very difficult and it could increase the likelihood of attacks against US interests.

Yeah, all it takes is one brown-out or equipment failure. One small variable could have made this raid a disaster. So yes, its a gutsy call. Clinton even said 'I hope I would have made the same decision.'


Bush didnt do it. Obama did.

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