Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:08 PM Oct 2013

Why are the Koch Brothers backing away from the Tea Party?

With more money than God, how would the association hurt them? It's not as if they can be voted out of office. Are they setting up a pre-emptive defense for a RICO investigation?

22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Why are the Koch Brothers backing away from the Tea Party? (Original Post) hedgehog Oct 2013 OP
Koch's r backing away from Teabaggers, cuz their House antics are making Obama look too good. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #1
I hadn't thought of that possibility! hedgehog Oct 2013 #3
and they only work in the dark of night, so this daylight connection to the teabags isn't doing them a kennedy Oct 2013 #13
The Koch-roaches do skitter off into the shadows when you turn lights on ... yes. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2013 #15
Because they are smart enough not to run naked thorugh a shit storm Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #2
All we know at this point is that they say or suggest that they are backing away. enough Oct 2013 #4
Because, in the event of a default… regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #5
To reassure the markets RainDog Oct 2013 #6
Good comments, all! hedgehog Oct 2013 #7
Publicly Backing Away? On this issue yes. But.... GatorOrange Oct 2013 #8
Correct. NCLefty Oct 2013 #9
At some point it just isn't worth it. Mz Pip Oct 2013 #10
It would be nice if the audiences would start hissing at them! hedgehog Oct 2013 #12
I'm wondering if that might be happening Mz Pip Oct 2013 #14
Because People, BillyRibs Oct 2013 #11
They're covering their backsides meow2u3 Oct 2013 #16
1. They're losing $. 2. They're losing "power" 3. They're losing anonymity. Myrina Oct 2013 #17
Because they are misunderstood? tavernier Oct 2013 #18
The are Koch roaches running from the light kairos12 Oct 2013 #19
because of their peers... Dan Oct 2013 #20
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #21
Think of the introduction to Gordon Gekko DFW Oct 2013 #22

a kennedy

(29,719 posts)
13. and they only work in the dark of night, so this daylight connection to the teabags isn't doing them
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 07:38 AM
Oct 2013

any favors.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. Because they are smart enough not to run naked thorugh a shit storm
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:16 PM
Oct 2013

They will sacrifice their foot soldiers and come back to fight another day.

enough

(13,262 posts)
4. All we know at this point is that they say or suggest that they are backing away.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:33 PM
Oct 2013

I see no reason to believe anything they say. They want to appear to be backing away at the moment, but that doesn't mean that they aren't continuing to provide significant money. In the current set-up there's no real way to know what they're actually doing.

Things were probably simpler for them before they became so well known. But I doubt they have actually changed their view or their goals.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
5. Because, in the event of a default…
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 04:53 PM
Oct 2013

…they know they'll wind up with only half as much money as God.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
6. To reassure the markets
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:27 PM
Oct 2013

because people know the tea baggers are irresponsible enough to allow a default - or at least they seem to be with the statements they have made about default.

Markets run on rumor and fear and no one can predict when the market will decide it has to try to cut losses, which could trigger a panic sell off, when Republicans (who control the purse strings) are threatening to destroy the full faith and credit of the U.S. to get their way.

People are also speculating that the Koch's are manipulating the market with their tea baggers as the instruments of other's misery.

So, basically, they don't want people to storm their headquarters, drag them out into the streets, etc. etc.

And you notice, when they spoke, the Republicans promptly obeyed their masters, at least nominally, to assure the market before any default.

GatorOrange

(63 posts)
8. Publicly Backing Away? On this issue yes. But....
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:56 PM
Oct 2013

They are still using every bit of their own money and influence to guide the current path of Conservatism. The shroud has fallen publicly and people are starting to see how the Koch's play games. They want to back off on that perception a little bit and retreat back behind the scenes. Not one thing will change at any of their Think Tanks (Heritage) nor any of the countless 501C front groups they have.

Mz Pip

(27,453 posts)
10. At some point it just isn't worth it.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:59 PM
Oct 2013

They aren't winning so there's little return on their investments and maybe it's coating them some respect.

The Kochs are big supporters of the arts in NYC. I'm wondering if their dance tickets just aren't filling up like they used to. This foray into RW politics must be taking its toll, no matter how much they donate to PBS, the Met, or Lincoln Center.

Maybe they'll go back to just helping fund the arts and leave politics alone.

Mz Pip

(27,453 posts)
14. I'm wondering if that might be happening
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:47 AM
Oct 2013

If they live in NYC and are involved in the arts this kind of activity can't be good PR. Perhaps the dinner party invites have dropped off considerably.

meow2u3

(24,774 posts)
16. They're covering their backsides
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:00 PM
Oct 2013

The Kochroaches aren't really backing away from their creation. They're just putting on a front to create a diversion. They still fund the baggers on the sly.

Dan

(3,582 posts)
20. because of their peers...
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:39 PM
Oct 2013

social pressure, lack of approval from their peers....about their role, about the type of attention they might be bringing to their social class....

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

DFW

(54,447 posts)
22. Think of the introduction to Gordon Gekko
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 05:24 AM
Oct 2013

When the character of Gordon Gekko is first introduced in "Wall Street," he tells Charlie Sheen's character, "I don't like losses."

As long as their brand was winning, the Kochs figured they were getting a positive return on their investment. Now that they are looking at stalemate and potentially serious losses next year, they are thinking twice about tossing another hundred million or two down the toilet after candidates whose politics reside there (and there's no better place for a brand of politics gone stale).

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Why are the Koch Brothers...