2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy are the Koch Brothers backing away from the Tea Party?
With more money than God, how would the association hurt them? It's not as if they can be voted out of office. Are they setting up a pre-emptive defense for a RICO investigation?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)a kennedy
(29,719 posts)any favors.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)They will sacrifice their foot soldiers and come back to fight another day.
enough
(13,262 posts)I see no reason to believe anything they say. They want to appear to be backing away at the moment, but that doesn't mean that they aren't continuing to provide significant money. In the current set-up there's no real way to know what they're actually doing.
Things were probably simpler for them before they became so well known. But I doubt they have actually changed their view or their goals.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)
they know they'll wind up with only half as much money as God.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)because people know the tea baggers are irresponsible enough to allow a default - or at least they seem to be with the statements they have made about default.
Markets run on rumor and fear and no one can predict when the market will decide it has to try to cut losses, which could trigger a panic sell off, when Republicans (who control the purse strings) are threatening to destroy the full faith and credit of the U.S. to get their way.
People are also speculating that the Koch's are manipulating the market with their tea baggers as the instruments of other's misery.
So, basically, they don't want people to storm their headquarters, drag them out into the streets, etc. etc.
And you notice, when they spoke, the Republicans promptly obeyed their masters, at least nominally, to assure the market before any default.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)GatorOrange
(63 posts)They are still using every bit of their own money and influence to guide the current path of Conservatism. The shroud has fallen publicly and people are starting to see how the Koch's play games. They want to back off on that perception a little bit and retreat back behind the scenes. Not one thing will change at any of their Think Tanks (Heritage) nor any of the countless 501C front groups they have.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Mz Pip
(27,453 posts)They aren't winning so there's little return on their investments and maybe it's coating them some respect.
The Kochs are big supporters of the arts in NYC. I'm wondering if their dance tickets just aren't filling up like they used to. This foray into RW politics must be taking its toll, no matter how much they donate to PBS, the Met, or Lincoln Center.
Maybe they'll go back to just helping fund the arts and leave politics alone.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Mz Pip
(27,453 posts)If they live in NYC and are involved in the arts this kind of activity can't be good PR. Perhaps the dinner party invites have dropped off considerably.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)can go from following you to chasing you at the drop of a hat!
meow2u3
(24,774 posts)The Kochroaches aren't really backing away from their creation. They're just putting on a front to create a diversion. They still fund the baggers on the sly.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
tavernier
(12,409 posts)kairos12
(12,877 posts)Dan
(3,582 posts)social pressure, lack of approval from their peers....about their role, about the type of attention they might be bringing to their social class....
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DFW
(54,447 posts)When the character of Gordon Gekko is first introduced in "Wall Street," he tells Charlie Sheen's character, "I don't like losses."
As long as their brand was winning, the Kochs figured they were getting a positive return on their investment. Now that they are looking at stalemate and potentially serious losses next year, they are thinking twice about tossing another hundred million or two down the toilet after candidates whose politics reside there (and there's no better place for a brand of politics gone stale).