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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 06:50 PM Nov 2013

Why Chris Christie Is Edging Past Hillary Clinton For President



If the Democratic nominee turns out to be Hillary Clinton, then what will her response be? If she has been making any appeal at all to the left in her Party, then the attacks from the "bipartisan" Christie will win, by virtue of her having verbalized those leftist commitments, however insincere. However, if she has not been making any appeal to progressive Democrats, then her sell-outs to Wall Street etc., will make her extremely vulnerable. Republicans would just love to be able to repeat such headlines as "Hillary Clinton's Lucrative Goldman Sachs Speaking Gigs," which summarized major-media reports of her two closed-to-the-press speaking-engagements that week at Goldman Sachs (which paid her $400,000 for it), where her speeches were followed by Q&As that presumably provided attendees private insight on the ways she'd throw more trillions of taxpayer dollars at them if she were to lead the U.S.A. As I have documented, virtually all of her campaign funds while she was running for Senate and then the Presidency came from Wall Street. And I documented there that none of Elizabeth Warren's backers include Wall Street: a candidate who has a clearly non-corrupt record can raise lots of money from other sources (and you can see hers here). Also, Senators Bernie Sanders, and Sherrod Brown, are clean, as is Congressman Alan Grayson -- just to mention the other leading progressive contenders.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/why-chris-christie-is-edg_b_4305481.html




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Why Chris Christie Is Edging Past Hillary Clinton For President (Original Post) big_dog Nov 2013 OP
He's a failed Governor and a corrupt jackass that Any Democrat will beat easily. onehandle Nov 2013 #1
It's not even 2014 yet Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #2
Agreed 2014 or Bust!!! Heather MC Nov 2013 #17
I agree. Lots can happen between now and 2016. CTyankee Nov 2013 #18
Uhmm.... Blue Idaho Nov 2013 #3
Good point davidpdx Nov 2013 #14
Good paragraph on Christie's corruption. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #4
im sure well see/hear more about that Medicaid fraud soon big_dog Nov 2013 #7
This is a telling excerpt about Christie: Laelth Nov 2013 #5
"Edging past" almost 3 years before the 2016 General Election...... yellowcanine Nov 2013 #6
im not concerned at all mgcgulfcoast Nov 2013 #8
RFLOL riverbendviewgal Nov 2013 #9
Christie is the flavor of the month after his easy win in NJ. Beacool Nov 2013 #10
There is a reason Romney campaign did pick him for VP vinny9698 Nov 2013 #11
supposedly, he ran up a big tab on the govt dime at the Four Seasons big_dog Nov 2013 #20
I'm not falling for that tall tale. "Edging past" ROFLMAO Coyotl Nov 2013 #12
polls JoeFH Nov 2013 #21
Christie will need to change parties Cartoonist Nov 2013 #13
According to whom or what ???? King_Klonopin Nov 2013 #15
It would be nice if this BlueMTexpat Nov 2013 #16
I haven't seen DCPSR Nov 2013 #19

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. I agree. Lots can happen between now and 2016.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:01 AM
Nov 2013

Nobody can see around corners. I know that, as a lifelong Democrat, I didn't see Obama coming. I was supporting Edwards because his health care plan, of all the candidates, looked best to me and also because I believed the b.s. about him caring for the poor. Well, that's what you get with early judgements on possible candidates. You can be totally wrong about someone you trusted in the past. I felt like a fool and I didn't like feeling that way. I swore then I wouldn't rush into supporting anybody early in the game...once burned, twice shy...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
14. Good point
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:22 AM
Nov 2013

And it's in her best interest to stay above the fray as long as she can. If I were advising her, I'd even make sure she avoids supporting any candidates that may have possible scandals.

That being said, no one has decided for sure. We'll have to wait and see who runs.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
7. im sure well see/hear more about that Medicaid fraud soon
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:53 PM
Nov 2013

no one will be able to resist the urge to not jump the gun

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
5. This is a telling excerpt about Christie:
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:29 PM
Nov 2013
"'I feel bad for President Obama,' he said. 'He just won a year ago, and everybody's like, "Who's next?" There is work to be done in this country. As we shove him out the door, we minimize his ability to be an effective executive. We shouldn't do that.'" In other words, with these seemingly compassionate words, he will be trying to impress any unintelligent voters to believe that he is so non-partisan as to place the nation's interests above his own, personal, political interests -- as if any Republican politician actually behaves that way, and as if serving the aristocracy, who finance their campaigns, isn't what today's Republican Party (and any conservative Democratic politicians) are really all (and only) about.


Well, that's true.

-Laelth

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
6. "Edging past" almost 3 years before the 2016 General Election......
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:31 PM
Nov 2013

And 2 years before the first caucus or primary.......

Kind of irrelevant. Just sayin'.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
10. Christie is the flavor of the month after his easy win in NJ.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:56 PM
Nov 2013

Most people don't know much about him, other that he's obese and gets in people's faces. If Hillary is polling head to head right now in that poll, it may have a lot to do with the RW's obsession with Benghazi and with the current problems with the ACA (which is dragging down every Democrat).

Handicapping a race three years before it happens and when no one has announced their candidacy, is a waste of time.

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
11. There is a reason Romney campaign did pick him for VP
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:39 PM
Nov 2013

The vetting process found a lot of concerns about Christie. Some questions he did not answer. The Romney really wanted him and that GOP convention Christie speech was Christie pushing Christie for that VP slot.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/188947-book-christie%E2%80%99s-vp-dossier-littered-with-%E2%80%9Cpotential-land-mines%E2%80%9D
You will go up in any poll, if you get all the news media raving about how awesome it was to beat an underfunded, unsupported, Democrat.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
20. supposedly, he ran up a big tab on the govt dime at the Four Seasons
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:44 PM
Nov 2013

then billed it back to the taxpayers (allegedly)

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
12. I'm not falling for that tall tale. "Edging past" ROFLMAO
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:59 PM
Nov 2013

Show me where Christie is edging past Clinton.

JoeFH

(12 posts)
21. polls
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 03:10 PM
Nov 2013

Quinnipiac is one pollster that shows Christie edging Clinton - a second pollster PPP is also showing this trend.
- Source RCP

But like others have said, Clinton — at this point — is not making much noise while Christie is pretty much everywhere. 2016 is such a long way down the road that trends today will be LONG forgotten by then.

For now, I am trying to focus on 2014 as that is most dangerous election cycle for us right now. At the moment the GOP seems to be controlling the message — that seriously needs to change.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
13. Christie will need to change parties
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:02 AM
Nov 2013

Many repubs blame him for getting Obama re-elected. He will never win the repub nomination. And remember when Perry was going to be our next Prez?

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
15. According to whom or what ????
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:58 AM
Nov 2013

Remember Michelle Bachman in the 2011 primaries ?
And then Newt Gingrich ?
And then Paul Ryan ?
And then Herman Cain ?
And then Goodhair Perry ?
And then Mitty ....

Christie could be irrelevant before the Republican primaries start.
The Republican brand may be synonymous with dogshit by then.
You can get an early start and fret if you want to -- waste of mental energy IMO.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
16. It would be nice if this
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:10 AM
Nov 2013

so-called "investigative historian" didn't first create a false scenario for an election that is three years away.

Three. Long. Years.

First of all, Dems are still getting their own ducks in the water as far as candidates go. Hillary as a candidate is not a given. But Hillary as the Dem candidate is certainly much less far-fetched than Christie ever being the Rep candidate.

Not for today's GOP and very likely not for the GOP of 2016. Not by a very long shot.

Of course, corruption is actually considered a plus for a GOPer, so perhaps his odds might improve.







DCPSR

(35 posts)
19. I haven't seen
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:51 AM
Nov 2013

Any trend in all the polling that we track in our Sub-Reddit that shows Christie edging out Clinton. Not sure where that it is coming from. Christie does have an edge for the GOP nomination in many state polls, but his leads are not overly big and primary and debates and attacks from conservatives will likely change all that.

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