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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:16 AM Feb 2014

Imagine what the Rethugs could do if they took over the Senate and kept the House.

Last edited Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:46 AM - Edit history (1)

All Obama could do would be to veto bills.

But how could he get them to pass a clean bill raising the debt limit? Without them attaching a toxic wish list?

And what sorts of judicial nominees would they approve?

It's a scary thought. We really need to start focusing on this fall's Congressional campaigns.

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Imagine what the Rethugs could do if they took over the Senate and kept the House. (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2014 OP
The Senate does not send the President judicial nominees, they can only vote to confim the kelly1mm Feb 2014 #1
Thanks! pnwmom Feb 2014 #2
Not officially, but... see this wiki article on Senatorial courtesy... Narraback Feb 2014 #3
That's not all. They can shutdown the government and default on the debt. You know they would. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #4
My concern is if Ruth Bader Ginsburg doesn't retire and we lose the Senate. If something happened to okaawhatever Feb 2014 #5
If she retires too soon before the election, there won't be time for Obama to appoint someone. pnwmom Feb 2014 #6
She's not going to. Chan790 Feb 2014 #15
She's of the "I'm so special I'm irreplaceable" mindset, unfortunately. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #22
That is going to cost us very dearly... BlueDemKev Feb 2014 #25
The GOP is confident that they will win a majority this time. Kablooie Feb 2014 #7
They have good reason. We will be defending 7 seats in states that went to Romney. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #8
Personally ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #23
I would love you to be right! pnwmom Feb 2014 #24
Keep in mind, though... BlueDemKev Feb 2014 #26
I cannot disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #31
Focus on the 2014 midterms right now. BlueDemKev Feb 2014 #36
So so true ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #37
The Righties. BlueDemKev Feb 2014 #38
Yup ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #39
KnR. It's depressing as hell that much of the MSM and DU are so focused on 2016 and.... Hekate Feb 2014 #9
Yea it might happen and yea it might be bad modrepub Feb 2014 #10
"If"? You mean "when". Scuba Feb 2014 #11
Not a Republican Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #12
No, it shouldn't. If our only message is "they're awful" then we must be awful too. Scuba Feb 2014 #13
The thing is that it's NOT the only message Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #18
Can you please list a few of these policies? I'd love to know what they are. Scuba Feb 2014 #19
Raising the minimum wage, extending unemployment insurance, ACA Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #20
The ACA passed several years ago.... Scuba Feb 2014 #21
Dems still have to defend the ACA Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #34
It seems if Dems want to win elections, we should have a platform that appeals to .... Scuba Feb 2014 #35
Immigration reform, alternative energy, bringing jobs back to America, preserving S.S. & Medicare... BlueDemKev Feb 2014 #27
Hope and Change. quadrature Feb 2014 #14
You do understand that there are parts of this country... Chan790 Feb 2014 #16
So you're winning every race in those districts? Great! Scuba Feb 2014 #17
Which is interesting, because the Republicans' entire message is: "We're not Obama." nt Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #29
If the public noticed, neither party could win an election. Scuba Feb 2014 #30
That's why we must get rid of the two-party system bigwillq Feb 2014 #33
That will be enough for most R voters (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #32
Yes. just imagine, elleng Feb 2014 #28

kelly1mm

(4,733 posts)
1. The Senate does not send the President judicial nominees, they can only vote to confim the
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:45 AM
Feb 2014

nominees sent by the President or not. Other than that, your OP is correct, and scary.

Narraback

(648 posts)
3. Not officially, but... see this wiki article on Senatorial courtesy...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:57 AM
Feb 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senatorial_courtesy

Senatorial courtesy is an unwritten political custom (or constitutional convention) in the United States whereby the president consults the senior U.S. Senator of his political party of a given state before nominating any person to a federal vacancy within that Senator's state.[1] It is strictly observed in connection with the appointments of federal district court judges, U.S. attorneys, and federal marshals. Except in rare cases, the courtesy is typically not extended by the president to a state's senators when the president and senators of said state are of different political parties.
......
In the case of federal district court judgeships, the custom of senatorial courtesy is enforced within the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senators may summarily remove a person from further consideration simply by stating that they find the individual "personally obnoxious".[3] The custom is easily applied by a single senator or both senators from the state where the district is located. This is because federal judicial districts do not straddle state lines, thereby limiting the senatorial involvement to only one or both senators from only the state wherein the district is located.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
5. My concern is if Ruth Bader Ginsburg doesn't retire and we lose the Senate. If something happened to
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:11 AM
Feb 2014

her before 2016 a new scotus judge would not be confirmed. Then it would be a fight in 2016 with a known scotus appointment up in the air. Certainly big corps would empty their pocketbooks to make sure they had another pro-business Federalist type in that seat. I hope if we do lose the Senate that she retires before the new Senate is sworn in so Obama can appoint someone else.
Eric Holder announced that he is stepping down. I think it's because he wants to leave before 2016 but if he doesn't go now and we lose the Senate we'll be screwed there too.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
6. If she retires too soon before the election, there won't be time for Obama to appoint someone.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:17 AM
Feb 2014

I wish she'd retire today.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
15. She's not going to.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:41 PM
Feb 2014

She's made it clear in interviews that she views this kind of partisanship in SCOTUS retirees inappropriate.

She's going to leave SCOTUS when she dies or when she feels she cannot do the job anymore, with no consideration as to who controls the Senate or occupies the WH. She's of that old-school "you serve until you cannot and you do not play political games as a member of SCOTUS." mindset.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
25. That is going to cost us very dearly...
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:04 AM
Feb 2014

...she is over 80 years of age and has a history of health problems. If she doesn't step down before Obama's presidency is over, I cannot see her making it past the 2020 election. If the Rethugs take over the White House (God Forbid), she will be replaced by a Samuel Alito-type justice.

God Save This Honorable Court.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
7. The GOP is confident that they will win a majority this time.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 03:52 AM
Feb 2014

I hope that's just empty wind macho.
If they do the Democrats will have to bear the mantle of filibuster kings for the next two years.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Personally ...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:39 PM
Feb 2014

I think the pundits are making way too much out of that ... President Obama will not be on the ballot in 2014 and two of those 7 states have demonstrated a willingness to elect Democrats in state-wide races, as Montana and W. Virginia have Democratic Governors. Alaska has a strong Democrat running for the Senate ... N. Carolina has an awakening Democratic base and for the most part, Folks in Louisiana like Landreau.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
26. Keep in mind, though...
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:10 AM
Feb 2014

Arkansas and South Dakota are totally Republican now. And there is no strong Democrat running in either the Montana or West Virginia Senate races. Those four (4) losses right there will take us down to 51 seats. North Carolina and Louisiana are shaky at best and the latest news is that Gary Peters is now trailing in Michigan and is losing the fundraising battle to his Republican opponent. Begich is ahead in Alaska, but remember we're talking about a blood-red state and you know the Rethugs will hammer him for casting the "deciding" vote in favor of Obamacare (in Dec. 2009, the Senate passed the bill 60-39, the exact number of votes needed to end a filibuster).

The only possibility for a pick-up is Kentucky, and given how redneck that state is, I'm not holding my breath.

Not going out to vote in 2010 cost us the Senate races in PA, IL, and WI, which we should have won. Had so many liberals not stayed home on Nov. 2, 2010 we'd have a 58-42 majority right now and the chances of the Rethugs taking over the Senate would be next to zero.

GET OUT AND VOTE IN 2014!!! VOTE as if your LIFE depends on it...because it DOES.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
31. I cannot disagree ...
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 08:32 AM
Feb 2014

and this:

the latest news is that Gary Peters is now trailing in Michigan and is losing the fundraising battle to his Republican opponent


Is why we need to stop looking past 2014 with all the "Who should challenge HRC/Run EW, Run" posts.

Yes ... Get Out The DEMOCRATIC Vote in 2014.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. So so true ...
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:33 PM
Feb 2014

I think those so vocal and focused on 2016 are doing so to keep 2014 turn out low. And who does that benefit?.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
9. KnR. It's depressing as hell that much of the MSM and DU are so focused on 2016 and....
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:01 AM
Feb 2014

...how Hillary's not-yet-a-campaign is going.

Thanks, pnwmom.

modrepub

(3,495 posts)
10. Yea it might happen and yea it might be bad
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:34 AM
Feb 2014

but at some point the Repubs are going to have to defend senate seats in democratic leaning states and their gerrymandering will eventually be wiped away as people move. Right now the Repubs are becoming more like the democratic party post Civil War Reconstruction; unable to hold the presidency, overly strong in certain regions of the country and opposed to any change.

I wish one party or the other were able to win a solid majority so that we could get some work done instead of lurching from one election to another with both parties doing little in hopes of winning a majority in the next cycle. Oh, the money and resources we have all wasted financing political campaigns over the last two decades.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
11. "If"? You mean "when".
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 07:10 AM
Feb 2014

Our side seems to be actively trying to throw this election. We have NO MESSAGE other than "not the Republican".

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
12. Not a Republican
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:08 AM
Feb 2014

Should be a good enough reason, shouldn't it? I mean, have you heard about their policies and obstructionism? Why shouldn't it be enough to know that Democrats stand for responsible governance and generally support policies that support the average person. I know Dems aren't perfect but they're not simply a "lesser evil" either IMHO

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
13. No, it shouldn't. If our only message is "they're awful" then we must be awful too.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:12 AM
Feb 2014

When I was still working, I listened to many a sales pitch. The vendors who had nothing to say except "our competition's awful" never won my business.

"Vote for Democrats because Republicans are bad" gives me no reason to vote for Democrats. We either stand for something or we stand for nothing.

Nothing doesn't inspire voters.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
18. The thing is that it's NOT the only message
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:28 PM
Feb 2014

Democrats are (hopefully) out there talking about positive policies and plans that will help people. I'd be really surprised if the only message Democrats are sending is, "We're not Republicans" (which is still a plenty valid argument for me). I know that, for some people, the Democrats are basically the "lesser of two evils" but I don't agree with that line of thought. I think that most Democrats are generally supportive of policies that help the average person whereas most Republicans are not and I believe that the country has, at least in recent history, been more prosperous and fair whenever the Democrats have been in charge.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
20. Raising the minimum wage, extending unemployment insurance, ACA
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:37 PM
Feb 2014

for starters. Pretty much everything good that Republicans are busy blocking.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
21. The ACA passed several years ago....
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 01:41 PM
Feb 2014

Extending UE is good.

Raising the minimum wage to far less than a living wage is not very inspirational.

I still don't hear any unified message from the Dems.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
34. Dems still have to defend the ACA
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 01:15 PM
Feb 2014

and none of them- except for one or two marginal Dems have ever supported repealing ACA. Dems are also still fighting for Medicaid expansion in those states hampered by right-wing extremists and their blinding hatred of President Obama. I don't know about you but I feel plenty inspired by Democratic policies. As for messaging, why does it matter so much if they have "a single unified message" or not? Do you need that to be inspired by their policies?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
35. It seems if Dems want to win elections, we should have a platform that appeals to ....
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 01:22 PM
Feb 2014

... a whole bunch of potential voters.


Defending our past achievements instead of promoting our next policy is allowing the Republicans to set the agenda.

Where is ....

... Medicare for All, including dental, optical, hearing aids, mental health and nursing home services? This would be wildly popular.

... Where is raising the minimum wage to a living wage? Again, wildly popular.

... Where is lifting the cap, increasing SS payments, lowering the eligibility age? Again, wildly popular.

... Where is cutting military and spy budgets? Wildly popular.

... Whre is getting the very wealthiest to pay more of their fair share of the tax burden? Again, wildly popular.


Would we lose the votes of "moderates" with these policies? Maybe a few. But we would gain 10 votes for every one we lost, with those votes coming from the half (or more) of the electorate who didn't bother last time because none of these policies were on the board.




 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
16. You do understand that there are parts of this country...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:48 PM
Feb 2014

particularly here in New England where the less you say other than "Not the Republican!", the better off you are.

Policy positions are grist for the mill. They're toeholds for the GOP to run on or against.

We win every race here when there are no policy positions because there is no traction for the party of evil and they start every round of the political game down 15%.

elleng

(130,923 posts)
28. Yes. just imagine,
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:17 AM
Feb 2014

and that's largely what Lawrence O'D anticipated tonight, considering the 'work' one of the main Dem fundraising groups (don't recall the name) has been doing, fundraising exclusively for Hillary!

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