2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe VETO doesn't change the VOTE
Nothing has changed. The majority in the AZ house passed this bill. The majority of the AZ senate passed this bill. AZ voters voted these majorities into power. The people that wanted this DoS attack bill still have all the power. The people that voted for the "Papers please!" law still have all the power. WE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE THE HATE AND IGNORANCE OF THE gOP ONE DAY MORE.
IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)within the city limits of Phoenix and Tuscon.
The boycott of national companies doing business there and the not-for-profit NFL should continue.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)for what they are.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Is that you rarely win an argument with men who buy their ink by the barrel. Since almost all of the MSM is controlled by big bidness, almost all of the news we get is slanted to the right. Was at the hospital today for the wife to get some blood drawn and the ONLY channel on in the waiting room was FOX. They were STILL trying to tie Benghazi to Obama. And then on to the 'IRS Scandal'. I almost tossed my cookies.
Herself
(185 posts)is that a wink and a nod to "reword it" in the next bill?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)There needs to be a coalition of gays, women and minorities to organize together as a majority.
They pick one group and then another. First, latinos. Second, women. Third, gays.
The veto of any of those laws does not make the point that it is time to stop discrimination. United we stand, divided they pick us off one at a time.
Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)The fight for equality and dignity rages on.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)This was a PR nightmare for any business in the state, right up to the NFL, who openly commented about making plans to move the SB.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Saying that the bill is the will of the people of Arizona is like saying that everything the House of Representatives passes is the will of the American people. It's more complicated than that...
angrychair
(8,727 posts)Yes, I understand the point of your comment, I get it. I really do. BUT...it doesn't change what it is. The AZ house and senate voted the will of its citizens. The U.S. House of Representatives votes the will of the voters.
Plain and simple, there are some people that are completely disinterested in politics.
there are a lot more people that think that it doesn't matter if they vote or not because it doesn't effect them and/or won't change anything.
Gerrymandered districts exist because of disinterested and lazy citizens.
The bigger problem that comes of that is that the gerrymandered districts become a self-fullfilling prophecy. Democrats and independents in these districts think it doesn't matter since the deck is stacked against them. What happens? Voter turn drops more and more over time and those that do turn out to vote are increasingly red-meat teaparty and republicans. So as time goes on, republicans tighten the screws more and more as time goes by and they gain greater and greater advantages.This continues until they hold all the cards, they are the house and the rules all favor them. Game. Set. Match.
Republicans play on fear. On doubt. On anger. The nagging doubt about the future. Your future. Our future. Their future. The future, the great "What If..." is the enemy. These types of things work at a very low level, they influence people at the primitative mind level, the "fight or flight" instinct level. They create irrational, emotional and reactive responses in people. "Brown people are the enemy" and "gay people are the enemy" or "fill in the blank people that live in a funny-named place I've never heard of...are the enemy". Windmills are everywhere.
The thing that has to be understood they is that WE DON'T HAVE TO LOSE. In states like AZ, KS, OH, UT and a host of other states the winds are shifting into our sails. Businesses realize that fear and distrust and hate do not pay the bills. There isn't enough lobbyist money in the world to bear the weight of oppression indifinitely. What matters to a corporation more than anything else? Profits yes but also something called "Goodwill", a business term that means how it is percieved by consumers and its peers. Large, top tier orgainizations don't get that way without "goodwill", the perception that they are a good company. Its why it was easy money for all those organizations to come out against the AZ DoS attack bill and an amazing amount of free, positive, press with their names all over it.
Meaning? It means that the bill in AZ was defeated because enough people in those gerrymandered districts heard about and cared enough about the implications of that bill to say something. Enough of the businesses in those gerrymandered districts heard about and cared enough to say something.
I go back to an saying from a friend of mine, "The problem is never the problem, its the communication". People dont like the Affordable Care Act but they support and like all of its pieces and parts. Its all about the message and how you sell it. You have to have people on your side to win. In the case of the AZ bill we did and we won. Now rinse and repeat.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)You have to take every big or small victory with a smile. But that doesn't mean that Brewer is an advocate of lgbt rights. I'm sure the only reason she vetoed it was because of the corporations that spoke out against it.
The 'too broadly worded' part of her statement bothered me. On the other hand, the way she addressed the supporters of this horseshit was okay.
amerciti001
(158 posts)that of Freedom -from- Religion. All of these so-called "freedom of religion" bills being pushed and passed in these states are just that... openly discrimination against people that some yahoo may think that he/she has a right ( a moral right ) to do, standing behind(their) God as their cover to justify this act of openly discrimination.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It takes time and effort. Bigotry doesn't disappear in a day.