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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:29 AM Feb 2014

GOP’s “religious liberty” scam just died: Why Brewer’s veto is so momentous

Once upon a time, the right thought it could push its agenda behind claim of religious freedom. Those days are over

BRIAN BEUTLER


Back in 2012, a full two years before conservatives insisted that religious freedom entailed the right to discriminate against gay people or gay spouses in both private and public workplaces, Republicans in Washington trotted out the same religious liberty line for the arguably narrower purpose of defending religious employers who wanted to be exempt from the Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate.

That effort ultimately ran aground, both because the issue became the domain of the courts, but also because it ended up inviting a bunch of retrograde public pronouncements from conservatives about birth control and reproductive rights that ultimately dwarfed whatever political advantage Republicans hoped to gain by positioning themselves as tribunes for the religiously devout.

But for that ancillary damage, conservatives of all stripes really did seem to think that they’d gotten the framing right, and could apply it generously to future culture war battles.

The events of the past week have been especially fascinating in light of that history. The effort to apply the same religious freedom argument to anti-gay measures in states across the country has encountered tremendous resistance, not just from liberals but from business leaders, state-wide Republican elected officials, and GOP celebrities who, for different reasons, seem to get that stomping away from a growing majority of the population with a middle finger hoisted overhead isn’t a smart thing to do.

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http://www.salon.com/2014/02/27/gops_religious_liberty_scam_just_died_why_brewers_veto_is_so_momentous/
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GOP’s “religious liberty” scam just died: Why Brewer’s veto is so momentous (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2014 OP
All of this still served a purpose for the GOP phantom power Feb 2014 #1
Yes. There has been a paradigm shift and we don't exactly know when it happend. lunatica Feb 2014 #2
The religious freedom concept is really based on bad law Gothmog Feb 2014 #3
Zealots are idiots, you can count on it every time. Coyotl Feb 2014 #4
I am honestly surprised lillypaddle Feb 2014 #5
I think that even if she would have signed it or let it stand.. idendoit Feb 2014 #6

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
1. All of this still served a purpose for the GOP
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:43 AM
Feb 2014

Their bill got shot down, but it still allowed them to demonstrate to their bigot base that they hate all the right people. And that's important to them.

I'm still glad it crashed and burned. That's progress of a kind.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. Yes. There has been a paradigm shift and we don't exactly know when it happend.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:02 PM
Feb 2014

It came sooner than I thought, but it came because the gay community took the rest of us on on our different levels of bias or ignorance. In my case it was one of our DU gay brothers who asked me why they should wait. Why not change the laws now. He was right and it opened my eyes.

Now the world is a different place because of the gay community. I'm very happy about that.

Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
3. The religious freedom concept is really based on bad law
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:28 PM
Feb 2014

There is no way that these laws would be found to be constitutional. In effect, these laws make everyone a "state actor" in order to make the First Amendment applicable to all issues. That concept is simply not in accord with the US Constitution

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. Zealots are idiots, you can count on it every time.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:36 PM
Feb 2014

And the more zealous they are, the more willing they are to burn down the church to save the faith

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
6. I think that even if she would have signed it or let it stand..
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:45 PM
Feb 2014

..it would have been shot down in the courts.

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