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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 08:27 PM Mar 2014

Clinton more likeable than 2008?

March 04, 2014, 04:53 pm

By Alexandra Jaffe


A new poll reveals potential Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton’s image has improved since her 2008 run for president, but nearly four in 10 voters say there’s no chance they’ll vote for her if she runs again in 2016.

The survey, conducted by the Pew Center and USA Today, shows that she’s made strides on a key issue that sunk her 2008 campaign: Her likeability. Fifty-seven percent of respondents in the new poll say they don’t feel the phrase “hard to like” describes her, whereas in March of 2008 about half of those polled said she was hard to like.

And respondents see her gender as more of an asset than they did in 2008. Thirty-three percent in the current poll said her gender would help her, while only 20 percent said it would hurt her. In early January of 2008, more respondents, 35 percent, said it would hurt than help her.

A large majority say she is both tough and honest, but they’re less definite on whether she has new ideas — only 49 percent say that of the former secretary of State.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/199880-poll-clinton-seen-as-more-likeable-than-2008#ixzz2v2kw3m23
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Clinton more likeable than 2008? (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2014 OP
I dunno, I liked 2008 a lot. But I could be convinced... on the other hand, 1972? no fucking way Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #1
I don't want more Clintons, Bushes, Regans, or Obamas. The Presidency should not be an oligarchy. yourout Mar 2014 #2
well get used to it, because after clinton comes jeb bush.. frylock Mar 2014 #3
A lot of women are now keeping their maiden names. It is easy to see why. juajen Mar 2014 #14
she still kinda sucks just as much now as then for me. RedstDem Mar 2014 #4
Clinton more likeable than 2008 EuellG Mar 2014 #5
What does "she will be up in there in years" mean? uppityperson Mar 2014 #7
It means that a 68, 69 year old is no spring chicken, and running for president is ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2014 #12
Women have better chances of staying healthy the older they get than men. juajen Mar 2014 #15
No doubt, and women have longer lifespans ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2014 #16
Hey! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2014 #22
Bullsh*t!!! Beacool Mar 2014 #8
I suspect the relatively high negatives are due to her being nearly 100% known karynnj Mar 2014 #13
8 posts BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #26
Not for me. Run Hillary. bigwillq Mar 2014 #6
You are, if memory serves correct, a fellow CT person. You may appreciate this. Chan790 Mar 2014 #18
BWAH! bigwillq Mar 2014 #25
Freepers or DU, not much of a difference. Beacool Mar 2014 #9
Its the sad truth, isn't it? Evergreen Emerald Mar 2014 #17
The words "Clinton" and "Progressive" never belong in the same thought. Chan790 Mar 2014 #19
Perhaps you should do your homework Evergreen Emerald Mar 2014 #21
I stopped doing homework when I finished my second MA. Chan790 Mar 2014 #24
DU is the Left's answer to Free Republic. Beacool Mar 2014 #30
So presidential elections are now a popularity contest? JayhawkSD Mar 2014 #10
I liked 2008 just fine. Not a bad year in some ways. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2014 #11
No, I much prefer the year 2008 to Hillary Clinton. Chan790 Mar 2014 #20
Mom Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2014 #23
i liked her then MFM008 Mar 2014 #27
Not to me. SADD. truebluegreen Mar 2014 #28
I think her willingness to work for Obama qazplm Mar 2014 #29
What are some examples of 'extreme competence as SoS?' Whisp Mar 2014 #31
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. I dunno, I liked 2008 a lot. But I could be convinced... on the other hand, 1972? no fucking way
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 08:30 PM
Mar 2014

that was simply a great year.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
3. well get used to it, because after clinton comes jeb bush..
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 08:36 PM
Mar 2014

by then, Senator Michelle Obama will have been groomed for her presidential run, and then of course it's Chelsea's turn.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
14. A lot of women are now keeping their maiden names. It is easy to see why.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 05:25 AM
Mar 2014

Hillary Rodham, and Michelle Robinson; Hillary's Mother is dead, but Mrs, Robinson is alive. I respect that my daughters are the children of my husband, but I certainly am not. Women are not chattels any more. They are separate and distinct from their husbands. Really, I am tired of pointing this out. I'm sure it would never occur to anybody to disparage Chelsea Cinton's husband if he ran for office because he is a Clinton? See what I mean?

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
4. she still kinda sucks just as much now as then for me.
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 09:17 PM
Mar 2014

I'm not voting for her.
Will vote green unless something better comes along.
A beauty contest between her and jeb is just disgusting, but I'm willing to bet that's the big choice when the time comes.
America gets the government it deserves.

 

EuellG

(13 posts)
5. Clinton more likeable than 2008
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 09:48 PM
Mar 2014

Considering the positive media blitz being conducted it is easy to see how the easily influenced view her in a positive light. There is a reason why she had a lot of negatives and that is because she is mostly negative. There is a lot of time between now and the election and she will be up there in years and by that time the public perception will have changed., But go ahead and waste your time on a dubious candidacy of a failed leader when it is time to vote the real Hillary will have been exposed, the rest of this is just more liberal deception.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
12. It means that a 68, 69 year old is no spring chicken, and running for president is
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:13 PM
Mar 2014

a grueling, tough, time-consuming task that lasts longer than ever.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
16. No doubt, and women have longer lifespans
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 10:34 AM
Mar 2014

However, the grueling schedule of today's presidential campaign is something to behold . . . and disdain.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
13. I suspect the relatively high negatives are due to her being nearly 100% known
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:43 PM
Mar 2014

It might make more sense to compare her negatives to those of former (or current) incumbent Presidents. In that case, she is in pretty good shape. The lower negatives historically for possible nominees are because a large % of people really know very little about the candidates.

I agree that she has benefited by a lot of very positive support --- and for the last year little coverage on anything other than awards and topics she chooses to address. This is a major advantage over being a sitting Senator, Sec of State or anything else. She can and should use this advantage. She does NOT have to take opinions on specific actions - that may succeed or fail.

I would caution though that comparing to March 2008 is not fair. That was still in the thick of the nomination fight when there were many Democrats who were furious at either Hillary Clinton or Obama. It is also impossible to compare the two numbers because the author chose to use two different measures - and you can not assume that there were no unsure/did not respond responses.

A more important measure is really not favorability, but the head to head numbers. While I am not a fan of HRC, it is very clear to me that head to head, at this point in time, she beats everyone. The statistic that bothers me the most is the direction of the country one. It is not as low as this time relative to 2008, but it is not good. Before he and his myth imploded, Christie did have reasonable numbers compared to Clinton. We need to hope that no "clean" version of whatever made Christie attractive does not exist. (Not to mention, the better alternative is to take actions that improve people's view of what Obama has done.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. You are, if memory serves correct, a fellow CT person. You may appreciate this.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 12:00 PM
Mar 2014

I once got physically ejected from a Lieberman rally when he was running against Lamont for the Democratic nomination because his supporters were chanting "Go Joe Go!...Go Joe Go!..." After three or four stanzas of of this, when I was certain I had the cadence down, I started chanting "Far Far Away!" in contra-position.

"Go Joe Go!"
"Far Far Away!"
"Go Joe Go!"
"Far Far Away!"
"Go Joe Go!"
"Far Far Away!"

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
17. Its the sad truth, isn't it?
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 10:54 AM
Mar 2014

I am stunned when I read these comments. And, most times they are not based in fact. I remember during the campaign Randy Rhodes commented that when it comes to stories on Clinton, no matter how distrustful the source and how farfetched the story, the media would report it and everyone would believe it. Just like DU.

DU has created her out of whole cloth. She is demonized and vilified here hourly. By "progressives?"

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
19. The words "Clinton" and "Progressive" never belong in the same thought.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 12:02 PM
Mar 2014

Just like "Paul Ryan" and "Humanitarian"

All the lies in the world will never make Hillary Rodham Clinton a good Democrat.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
30. DU is the Left's answer to Free Republic.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:14 PM
Mar 2014

You read as much crazy sh*t here as you read there. I mostly go, meh, to both sites. The Hillary they portray on both places is a cardboard cutout and not the real woman. You can't take them too seriously.






 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
10. So presidential elections are now a popularity contest?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:24 PM
Mar 2014

In that case, George Clooney would beat Hillary easily.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
11. I liked 2008 just fine. Not a bad year in some ways.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:03 PM
Mar 2014

Comparing it to Hillary seems unfair, since a year is 365 days long, and a person is just a person. Hard to make a comparison like that.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
20. No, I much prefer the year 2008 to Hillary Clinton.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 12:04 PM
Mar 2014

One of the best things to happen in 2008 was the primary defeat of Hillary Clinton.

2008 was a very good year.

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
29. I think her willingness to work for Obama
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 05:38 PM
Mar 2014

removed an unfair perception that she was haughty or arrogant, and her extreme competence as SOS removed any unfair perceptions that she wasn't qualified to be President.

I think those two things removed results in the increase we see IMO, that and the passage of time and lessening of sexism that goes with it.

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