2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRand Paul represents a real threat in 2016..
He carries a message which low informed voters flock to.. Same message that Ronald Reagan got elected with...Govt. is way to big and is the reason why few jobs are being created...
Along with this, he will definitely propose a flat tax system which will find many supporters once they find out how it works..
Safety net issues are another subject he will surround and will explain it as apull yourself up by your own bootstrap issue.
He is an anti-war advocate,( as long as the war has nothing to do with our economy.) supports drug policy change... and will have loads of college kids supporting him ( did I mentioned low informed voters)
We all realize that a large part of populace is supplied with information by Fox and Right Wing Hate Radio. This group along with the segment of our pop. which sits in the middle, represent a real challenge for 2016.
Yes ,I am aware of his huge anti-woman problems and his racist states right issues... his fathers racist paper, but Im still concerned..
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Is Ron thinking about stepping back in the ring?
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)he called it quits once he retired from Congress. I think he's still going around doing speeches sometimes, though.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I can't see him pulling in anywhere near enough support during the primary process. He'll fall apart just like his old man and at least as quickly.
If he could scam his way through the nomination and manage not to say anything too far out in libertariloony land during the general he might be able to be competitive but I don't think that's possible.
He'll come up with some nutjob theory or precept that will put him right smack in the pack with ever other Libertarian that tried to run for the Presidency.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Cruz, Perry, Rubio, Huckabee, etc. are not much of a challenge..
riversedge
(70,233 posts)he is off the radar at this point. Jeb Bush is another sleeper that has a good chance.
2banon
(7,321 posts)That is hilarious! TPTB will never let that happen!
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)get behind Paul. The question is who do the money men want. It seemed to be split between several candidates last time. Citizens United should make it even more fractured.
2banon
(7,321 posts)for Cable. Elections is good business and getting more lucrative. The earlier they start the race the more they make. I say, boycott M$M completely. don't make them richer by clicking on the manufactured "stories", vis a vis trotting out early knock offs, like Rand or Ron Paul for instance. that's how I see it..
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)since Citizen's United.
But this is a Politics discussion board and one of the things to discuss is who we will be supporting and who the other party will be challenging us with. It's just the way it is.
2banon
(7,321 posts)better focus on 2014, imo. the prospect of losing Senate Majority is a serious concern.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)wrong with speculating about 2016? The only speculation going on about 2016 is the Presidential race. All House and Senate races are focused on 2014, which there are 435 House races and 33 or 34 Senate races. It would be impressive if we could send McConnell back to Kentucky permanently in 2014!!
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Corporate wish list.. I mean this is what Libertarians represent... Cut the crap out of the Fed and give States total sovereignty over everything..
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)it comes to the deregulation thing. But the Corporations needs the government (and to control the government) in order to keep their power.
I think that the stuff libertarians espouse, is not really what the corporatacrisy wants.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hell, I don't even know you can count on Christie.
The GOP is one big tent of clusterfuck though, ain't it?
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)The man is an idiot who is too stupid to understand that people are laughing at him
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)He'd have a better chance with a receding hairline than with that Irish Setter pelt.
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)Perry is running again despite his "oops" debate on the basis of his hair.
His hair looks like a plastic wig to me.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)all I can do let his hair annoy me. Becides he's a little twerp and not at all presidential looking. I laugh at the thought of him as CiC or dealing with Putin. He's a joke of a candidate with no foreign policy experience...I'm not worried...in fact I hope he wins the primary.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Why won't he get a haircut? Or at least gel it up. That weasel/beaver/whatever thingy on his head looks atrocious.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)This guy has plenty of time to modify and improve on the effectiveness of his hateful ideology .
People might laugh at Perry, Cruz, Sanitorium, etc.. Rand Paul not so much..
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Just the same as the Rs did to the Ron Paul followers.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Sounds just like his old man, whine, whine, whine.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Works well with the POTUS, but not so much from there on down...We need to come up with stronger strategies which punch back hard..
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)he lies with the greatest of ease.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)jenmito
(37,326 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)kinda ing over why the GOP chose Rand Paul, of all people, to be the face of their minority outreach efforts. I'll give him props for at least trying somewhat to woo us over, but seriously--they couldn't have found anyone more appropriate for the job than a guy whose father is notorious for having racist newsletters published and being endorsed by Stormfront? Even Clarence Thomas might've been a better option, even though many in the Black community see him as a sellout.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)that would be like having Dennis the Menace in the white house!!
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)But two reasons keep me from fully getting there:
1. No flat taxer has ever won a party nomination, like Jerry Brown or Steve Forbes or Herb Cain. Problem is that eventually you are going to be asked about why you want to end popular tax credits and deductions that a lot of middle and upper middle class people like. That never ends well.
2. Republicans will never nominate a candidate who favors ending aid to Israel. White Christian conservatives favor oodles of aid for Israel and this is the most important voting bloc in their primaries.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)1) The Flat Tax thing has never been promoted on a national level. Wealthy and Corporatists love the concept. The flat tax can easily be adjusted so that the middle class can benefit from it. And as usual
the bottom 30% will hurt, but who cares about them.....Except us..
2) I think the love affair between Israel and the Right Wing is not aging well. Lots of anti-semites on that side who are foaming at the mouth to end the affair..
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/07/conservative-leader-caught-on-live-mic-the-jews-are-the-problem/
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Especially this early.
1) A lot of powerful special interests (some on our side, some on theirs) like the tax code just they way it is now. They can spend a mountain of money in campaigns to make sure it stays the same.
2) If they nominate an anti-Israel nominee, Hillary will win 80%-85% of the Jewish vote, and putting Florida in the bank. Florida is the checkmate state without which Republicans cannot win.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)up.....
And you think if Rand Paul becomes the nominee, Corporate America Righties won't swoon to him and his Libertarian de-regulaion policies....Flat tax will be good bait for others..
Obama won close to 70% of the jewish Vote...Rand Paul would never run as a anti-Israel candidate he would modify his position and people would buy it...
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)lastlib
(23,238 posts)Redfairen
(1,276 posts)Once he's forced to do that it's over for him. Even right-wingers want to keep their beneifts.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)going bankrupt...Theyve been pushing that crap for years..
Redfairen
(1,276 posts)Everyone knows this to be true but Paul's proposals for Social Security and Medicare have always come down to some form of privatization. All a Dem nominee would need to do is press him on the issue and I don't see how he'd recover from it.
Remember the tea partiers screaming, "Don't touch my Medicare." Paul's position would be toxic on both the left and the right. You don't get to be president that way.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)Being the GOP front runner at this point in time is the kiss of death. The more press coverage he gets, the more voters get to know him and his distasteful views. He worries me about as much as Ted Nugent.