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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:11 PM Mar 2014

Rand Paul represents a real threat in 2016..

He carries a message which low informed voters flock to.. Same message that Ronald Reagan got elected with...Govt. is way to big and is the reason why few jobs are being created...

Along with this, he will definitely propose a flat tax system which will find many supporters once they find out how it works..

Safety net issues are another subject he will surround and will explain it as a”pull yourself up by your own bootstrap issue.”


He is an anti-war advocate,( as long as the war has nothing to do with our economy.) supports drug policy change... and will have loads of college kids supporting him ( did I mentioned low informed voters)

We all realize that a large part of populace is supplied with information by Fox and Right Wing Hate Radio. This group along with the segment of our pop. which sits in the middle, represent a real challenge for 2016.

Yes ,I am aware of his huge anti-woman problems and his racist state’s right issues... his father’s racist paper, but I’m still concerned..

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Rand Paul represents a real threat in 2016.. (Original Post) busterbrown Mar 2014 OP
Ron or Rand? exboyfil Mar 2014 #1
Sorry>>> busterbrown Mar 2014 #4
Nope, Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #32
I don't think he can get the nomination sharp_stick Mar 2014 #2
Disagree! ... He will actually seem the sensible one when they appear on stage during the Primaries. busterbrown Mar 2014 #5
I think Rubio may be the sleeper even though riversedge Mar 2014 #26
ROFL! 2banon Mar 2014 #3
I tend to think that is the most likely scenario. I don't think the corporate money men will madinmaryland Mar 2014 #12
too early to tell, getting our attention now is very profitable 2banon Mar 2014 #14
You got that right. It isn't just the campaign ad revenue, which has undoubtably increased madinmaryland Mar 2014 #16
true. but we're not there yet in terms of 2016 2banon Mar 2014 #19
Again, no disagreement from me. 2014 should be the focus, but is there anything madinmaryland Mar 2014 #20
But Rand Paul’s argument for less and less regulations goes right to the heart of Right Wing busterbrown Mar 2014 #22
Well, Paul may be a useful idiot for the Corporate Right wing, when madinmaryland Mar 2014 #24
I'm not so sure about that. zappaman Mar 2014 #6
Rand Paul has no chance of being elected Gothmog Mar 2014 #7
Plus (and I know this sounds silly) he has really bad hair. winter is coming Mar 2014 #8
Good hair is the only thing that Rick Perry has going for him Gothmog Mar 2014 #11
Really? HappyMe Mar 2014 #15
It does look it might melt if he spent too long in the sun, but it's less fake than Paul's. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #17
I can't stand his hair. Everytime I see him I can't listen because Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #30
+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #33
Don’t be so sure... busterbrown Mar 2014 #9
Mr plagiarism, spawn of his father? Rs will just use him to keep that part of their voters dazzled. Sunlei Mar 2014 #10
That part... Is a huge part...n/t busterbrown Mar 2014 #13
I can't stand listening to his whiney voice. Thor_MN Mar 2014 #18
If the DEMS stop being GOP-lite, they wouldn't have these ongoing problems getting people to vote. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #21
Being sensible has been their game plan for quite awhile..The adult in the room syndrome. busterbrown Mar 2014 #23
Rubio is the real threat. mgcgulfcoast Mar 2014 #25
Right! That glass of water Rubio will have been rehabilitated. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #31
he is a dangerous man mgcgulfcoast Mar 2014 #39
Nah. His dry mouth will be his downfall. n/t jenmito Mar 2014 #35
Rand Paul comes from a long line of KLANies underthematrix Mar 2014 #27
I'm still Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #34
oh no!! demigoddess Mar 2014 #28
I almost agree with you bluestateguy Mar 2014 #29
Did you see the final vote at CPAC? busterbrown Mar 2014 #38
CPAC and Iowa straw polls are predictive of nothing bluestateguy Mar 2014 #44
Didn’t say they were.. But it sure helps prove my point that R.P. has got the lunatic fringe wrapped busterbrown Mar 2014 #45
Wanna do something about that threat? GOTV in 2014, so he won't have a GOP Congress. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #36
Absolutely!!!! busterbrown Mar 2014 #37
Aqua Buddha waits............ lastlib Mar 2014 #40
Ask him to explain his positions on Social Security and Medicare. Redfairen Mar 2014 #41
He’ll harp on the fact that they both need to be overhauled in order to prevent them from busterbrown Mar 2014 #42
Of course, but for SS and Medicare, privatization is a loser on both sides of the aisle. Redfairen Mar 2014 #43
Have Libertarians ever been a legitimate threat? Generic Brad Mar 2014 #46

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
32. Nope,
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 04:05 AM
Mar 2014

he called it quits once he retired from Congress. I think he's still going around doing speeches sometimes, though.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. I don't think he can get the nomination
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:21 PM
Mar 2014

I can't see him pulling in anywhere near enough support during the primary process. He'll fall apart just like his old man and at least as quickly.

If he could scam his way through the nomination and manage not to say anything too far out in libertariloony land during the general he might be able to be competitive but I don't think that's possible.

He'll come up with some nutjob theory or precept that will put him right smack in the pack with ever other Libertarian that tried to run for the Presidency.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
5. Disagree! ... He will actually seem the sensible one when they appear on stage during the Primaries.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:27 PM
Mar 2014

Cruz, Perry, Rubio, Huckabee, etc. are not much of a challenge..

riversedge

(70,233 posts)
26. I think Rubio may be the sleeper even though
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:47 PM
Mar 2014

he is off the radar at this point. Jeb Bush is another sleeper that has a good chance.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
12. I tend to think that is the most likely scenario. I don't think the corporate money men will
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014

get behind Paul. The question is who do the money men want. It seemed to be split between several candidates last time. Citizens United should make it even more fractured.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
14. too early to tell, getting our attention now is very profitable
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

for Cable. Elections is good business and getting more lucrative. The earlier they start the race the more they make. I say, boycott M$M completely. don't make them richer by clicking on the manufactured "stories", vis a vis trotting out early knock offs, like Rand or Ron Paul for instance. that's how I see it..

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
16. You got that right. It isn't just the campaign ad revenue, which has undoubtably increased
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

since Citizen's United.

But this is a Politics discussion board and one of the things to discuss is who we will be supporting and who the other party will be challenging us with. It's just the way it is.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
19. true. but we're not there yet in terms of 2016
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:54 PM
Mar 2014

better focus on 2014, imo. the prospect of losing Senate Majority is a serious concern.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
20. Again, no disagreement from me. 2014 should be the focus, but is there anything
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:02 PM
Mar 2014

wrong with speculating about 2016? The only speculation going on about 2016 is the Presidential race. All House and Senate races are focused on 2014, which there are 435 House races and 33 or 34 Senate races. It would be impressive if we could send McConnell back to Kentucky permanently in 2014!!

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
22. But Rand Paul’s argument for less and less regulations goes right to the heart of Right Wing
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:38 PM
Mar 2014

Corporate wish list.. I mean this is what Libertarians represent... Cut the crap out of the Fed and give States total sovereignty over everything..

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
24. Well, Paul may be a useful idiot for the Corporate Right wing, when
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:52 PM
Mar 2014

it comes to the deregulation thing. But the Corporations needs the government (and to control the government) in order to keep their power.

I think that the stuff libertarians espouse, is not really what the corporatacrisy wants.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
6. I'm not so sure about that.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:31 PM
Mar 2014

Hell, I don't even know you can count on Christie.
The GOP is one big tent of clusterfuck though, ain't it?

Gothmog

(145,264 posts)
7. Rand Paul has no chance of being elected
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:26 PM
Mar 2014

The man is an idiot who is too stupid to understand that people are laughing at him

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
8. Plus (and I know this sounds silly) he has really bad hair.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

He'd have a better chance with a receding hairline than with that Irish Setter pelt.

Gothmog

(145,264 posts)
11. Good hair is the only thing that Rick Perry has going for him
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:51 PM
Mar 2014

Perry is running again despite his "oops" debate on the basis of his hair.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
30. I can't stand his hair. Everytime I see him I can't listen because
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:56 PM
Mar 2014

all I can do let his hair annoy me. Becides he's a little twerp and not at all presidential looking. I laugh at the thought of him as CiC or dealing with Putin. He's a joke of a candidate with no foreign policy experience...I'm not worried...in fact I hope he wins the primary.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
33. +1
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 04:09 AM
Mar 2014

Why won't he get a haircut? Or at least gel it up. That weasel/beaver/whatever thingy on his head looks atrocious.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
9. Don’t be so sure...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:50 PM
Mar 2014

This guy has plenty of time to modify and improve on the effectiveness of his hateful ideology .

People might laugh at Perry, Cruz, Sanitorium, etc.. Rand Paul not so much..

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. Mr plagiarism, spawn of his father? Rs will just use him to keep that part of their voters dazzled.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:50 PM
Mar 2014

Just the same as the Rs did to the Ron Paul followers.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
23. Being sensible has been their game plan for quite awhile..The adult in the room syndrome.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:42 PM
Mar 2014

Works well with the POTUS, but not so much from there on down...We need to come up with stronger strategies which punch back hard..

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
34. I'm still
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 04:20 AM
Mar 2014

kinda ing over why the GOP chose Rand Paul, of all people, to be the face of their minority outreach efforts. I'll give him props for at least trying somewhat to woo us over, but seriously--they couldn't have found anyone more appropriate for the job than a guy whose father is notorious for having racist newsletters published and being endorsed by Stormfront? Even Clarence Thomas might've been a better option, even though many in the Black community see him as a sellout.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
29. I almost agree with you
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:53 PM
Mar 2014

But two reasons keep me from fully getting there:

1. No flat taxer has ever won a party nomination, like Jerry Brown or Steve Forbes or Herb Cain. Problem is that eventually you are going to be asked about why you want to end popular tax credits and deductions that a lot of middle and upper middle class people like. That never ends well.

2. Republicans will never nominate a candidate who favors ending aid to Israel. White Christian conservatives favor oodles of aid for Israel and this is the most important voting bloc in their primaries.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
38. Did you see the final vote at CPAC?
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:35 PM
Mar 2014

1) The Flat Tax thing has never been promoted on a national level. Wealthy and Corporatists love the concept. The flat tax can easily be adjusted so that the middle class can benefit from it. And as usual
the bottom 30% will hurt, but who cares about them.....Except us..

2) I think the love affair between Israel and the Right Wing is not aging well. Lots of anti-semites on that side who are foaming at the mouth to end the affair..


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/07/conservative-leader-caught-on-live-mic-the-jews-are-the-problem/

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
44. CPAC and Iowa straw polls are predictive of nothing
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:55 PM
Mar 2014

Especially this early.

1) A lot of powerful special interests (some on our side, some on theirs) like the tax code just they way it is now. They can spend a mountain of money in campaigns to make sure it stays the same.

2) If they nominate an anti-Israel nominee, Hillary will win 80%-85% of the Jewish vote, and putting Florida in the bank. Florida is the checkmate state without which Republicans cannot win.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
45. Didn’t say they were.. But it sure helps prove my point that R.P. has got the lunatic fringe wrapped
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:16 PM
Mar 2014

up.....

And you think if Rand Paul becomes the nominee, Corporate America Righties won't swoon to him and his Libertarian de-regulaion policies....Flat tax will be good bait for others..

Obama won close to 70% of the jewish Vote...Rand Paul would never run as a anti-Israel candidate he would modify his position and people would buy it...

Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
41. Ask him to explain his positions on Social Security and Medicare.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:13 AM
Mar 2014

Once he's forced to do that it's over for him. Even right-wingers want to keep their beneifts.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
42. He’ll harp on the fact that they both need to be overhauled in order to prevent them from
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:26 AM
Mar 2014

going bankrupt...They’ve been pushing that crap for years..

Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
43. Of course, but for SS and Medicare, privatization is a loser on both sides of the aisle.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:36 AM
Mar 2014

Everyone knows this to be true but Paul's proposals for Social Security and Medicare have always come down to some form of privatization. All a Dem nominee would need to do is press him on the issue and I don't see how he'd recover from it.

Remember the tea partiers screaming, "Don't touch my Medicare." Paul's position would be toxic on both the left and the right. You don't get to be president that way.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
46. Have Libertarians ever been a legitimate threat?
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 05:06 PM
Mar 2014

Being the GOP front runner at this point in time is the kiss of death. The more press coverage he gets, the more voters get to know him and his distasteful views. He worries me about as much as Ted Nugent.

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