I'm not pleased with the pushing of Hillary on us. Warren really is for the people.

because although she is not the most liberal of the four. She would win in the national election. I am not sure that Elizabeth Warren can win. However, if she gets the nomination, she has my full support of course.

I will vote for Hillary if she gets it, but don't like the way both sides are pushing her onto us.

It feels like the deal is done.

Why don't you organize an effort to promote or encourage Warren or Sanders to get into the race? While Hillary supporters are rallying millions of supports and millions of dollars, anti-Hillary people are...writing another blog post.

so why make it an insult?

I've been clear about what I'm doing, but all I see from the other side is complaining. If "Ready for Warren" is up and running, please enlighten me.

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voting because the candidate is not perfect. I think Warren will pull Hillary to the left a bit more because Warren has a sell-able message. The populism in this country in a burgeoning phenomenon. It has to be dealt with by every candidate...

I'd rather get behind someone who's doing the pulling than someone who might, under pressure, mouth the "right" words. That's not demanding perfection; that's demanding representation.

It's tough between her and Sanders but i would go with her.

We need both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren to continue speaking out to push Clinton to the left--especially regarding Wall Street and the banks.

It would probably help if there is a token candidate that pulls Hillary to the left but not enough to actually win the nomination; we simply cannot afford a Republican in 2016.

All the signs are pointing towards a Hillary run, why else would Karl Rove be starting his infamous whisper campaigning on national television?

We NEED to keep control of the Senate! Hillary can win the Presidency, the Liz & Bernie might or might not, PLUS we need them in the Senate to fight THERE!

I think that she has unique qualifications for the job that none of the other candidates possess, having already lived in the WH for 8 years, served as a senator of a large state for 8 more and served as SOS for 4 years.

In other words, she knows all aspects of the business and has no delusions as to what to expect from Republicans. She would hit the ground running and kicking some butt along the way.

Do I agree 100% with Hillary on every single issue? Of course not, but I don't expect to ever see a "perfect" candidate. I like her work ethic, intelligence, pragmatism and the fact that she does care about people. It also helps to have a sense of humor in politics and she has that in spades.

I have a lot of respect for Liz Warren, but she's too new to politics and I see her more as a one issue candidate. I think that she could become the next Ted Kennedy in the Senate or a kick-ass Fed Chairman. She could also be a fantastic Secretary of the Treasury.

Bernie Sanders is also a man whose dedication to social fairness and justice inspires respect, but he is a Socialist in his mid 70s and has almost no chance of winning the nomination, let alone a general election.

Joe Biden is a nice man who has oodles of experience in DC, but I don't see him as having anymore success on a third presidential bid than he had the previous two times that he ran in the past.

Because actually winning the White House matters. We tend to lose when we run NE liberals and with an aging Supreme Court, I wouldn't want to rake that risk. It's all about SCOTUS.

However, I doubt my over will matter much since by time the primaries get to California the race has already been decided.

You would think they would want the attention and money that a contested primary would bring.

Second choice would be Bernie, for the same reason.

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Hillary could be the biggest part of American history,ever. Husband and Wife becoming president? They also have a potential future candidate in their daughter. On the other hand it may be time for her to get out. She's at retirement age, has more money than she'll ever need. The question is how long do you really have on this earth to enjoy what you've built up your entire life? No one knows. She could be 100 or more. Retire now and enjoy, because you never know when you will check out. Only Hilliary knows her medical situation. Not Karl Rove. I can't wait to retire, which isn't long now. Just think, no more work, no more bs,etc, etc, etc. Free!!!! Only Hilliary knows for sure.

On the other hand, I think a ticket with Bernie and Elizabeth would be my ultimate candidates. They are common sense people, that care VERY much about the middle class. They actually get what's going on to the middle class, call the GOP for all their bullshit, and fully support the rebuilding of the class. They also tell it the way it really is, where I don't see that in others.I feel very comfortable with both of them.

I like Joe too, but he has an issue with spouting stupid shit all the time. If you can't walk the walk, nor talk the talk, No need to apply. However, I think he would also be a good choice.

Actually, any of the 4 above are fine by me. It looks like a no brainer for in 2016. I don't see how we can lose.

And yet, the clown party still have no one worth mentioning.

for the next many years!

I hope she doesn't declare until the last second or even pretends to run & is a target for R-hate and then suspend her campaign when the time is right for the party.

She good at bringing to the public eye, the republican paid roaches like rove.

Hillary is less than two years older than Warren and several years younger than Sanders, who's already in his 70s (like Biden).

So why would age be a factor for Hillary and not for the other three?

They are all solid, each one has their own special talents. The only of the four that terrifies the right wing is Hillary Clinton. I hope she decides to run and wins.

Why?

I like Bernie but he's got no chance. He's too far out of the mainstream.

I like Warren and think she'd be the best electable fiscal liberal we could get.

Joe Biden is an unexciting safe choice...he can do the job, he'd be exceptional at it. He's just not exciting as a candidate...and he's too much of a dealmaker and negotiator. With a GOP infiltrated with terrorist wankers...we shouldn't be negotiating or dealmaking.

I no longer comment on Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Castro for VP then first Hispanic, Spanish-speaking President...2024. He'll be around 48 yo. After watching the magnificent PBO speech on Our Brother's Keeper, he's even more timely. Imagine the SOTU given in both English and Spanish.

Like I said, We Ds have many really good people!

love some feedback from Texas. Seems she's got a long, hard battle...does he go in with her, or stand by and watch?

his speech was great at the Convention...

Is that you're allowed to think about whatever you want. Don't want to think about 2016? The threads are pretty easy to ignore.

It's kind of the point of discussion forums.


And even if it is pointless what's wrong with political speculation to kill a few minutes? This is a hobby for a lot of us.


Again, if you don't like it, don't post in the threads. If political speculation is "pointless" so is telling people what and what they cannot talk about.

There's time 'till 2016. 2014 is now.

one crucial political battle in my mind. In fact I'm thinking 2024...Castro for President. Politics is the pentultimate subject to think and speak about as far ahead as possible.

Democrats...First African American President, First Woman President and First Hispanic President. That's my party.

So the dilemma is adding in which direction, left, center or what? I wish she would tell us what she is standing for, and very soon.

He is an admitted Socialist, as am I.

Already a done deal

He's been at it longer, more experience...Warrren would be my pick for VP and the POTUS candidate after Sanders in 2020...However (I'm old too so don't yell) both are older and may Not want to run. We need to recruit from the 40 somethings with no ties to Third Way/New Dem Coalition and Wall Street Neo-Libs--ASAP, imo.

Mrs Clinton has so many negatives there is even some doubt about her running; the current Benghazi flap is about her.
Sen Warren has loudly and repeatedly declared she is not running
Joe Biden is fun but the GOP would play the clumsiness/mis-speaking/age card against him.

But there is another possibility who is being loudly ignored by proponents of Mrs Clinton and Sen Warren

By HRC and Warren supporters.

As to who? Gov. Sebelius.

She might be a bit worn out, though.

CFPB, crushing the most popular politician in MA, changing the conversation in DC, and keeping Larry Summers from savaging us again.

Imagine if she gets to run the show for 8 years. Wow.

Because I vote for liberals, and the more liberal, the more likely I am to vote for them.

So arranged in order it would look like

1) Bernie Sanders
2) Elizabeth Warren
3) Joe Biden
4) Hillary Clinton

Though in all honesty, I'd rather see Joe get out of politics, and into television. Give that man a late show, or a travelogue show like Anthony Bourdain has, Biden would rock the small screen

Why do so many people think that it is utterly impossible that no one else could possibly step forward and become a candidate?

Remember how inevitable Hillary was in 2008? Then why isn't she finishing her second term right now?

Remember how it was obvious to the most casual observer that John Kerry would of course run again after the election was stolen from him in 2004? Oh. He didn't run again.

Remember how of course Al Gore would run again when that election was stolen from him in 2000? And his did that run again go? Oh. He didn't run again.

Remember how in 1991, after the Gulf War, it was so clear that President George HW Bush would win in a landslide in 1992, that all of the obvious front-runners for the Democratic nomination decided there was absolutely no point in running. And remember his second term? No? Oh, that's right, some other Democrat decided to run. And won.

My point is that was seems inevitable a couple of years out rarely is what actually happens.

And to all of you who think that Hillary would be invincible this next time simply because she's been through it once before have no idea how much the right can and will turn on her. Plus, she does not represent a single new idea. I do not see her as standing up for the working class or the middle class, as doing anything at all to curb the power of the very rich.

I see Elizabeth Warren as doing just that. As well as Bernie Sanders.

But there are undoubtedly other, younger Democrats who need a chance.

I agree and there is no way I will support Clinton in the primary. The rest I remain open to considering.

People fail to remember that Obama only declared his candidacy 21 months before the 2008 GE.

I admire and like her and she can win.

She will be a great president, IMHO, and much more progressive as a leader than she has been in her past roles. I talked to one lefty who dislikes Hillary because of her "militaristic foreign policy." The only problem with that is, having never been president, she doesn't have a "foreign policy." After decades of relentless trashing by the right, she has risen above it all. I've been hoping for President Hillary Clinton since before the 2000 election, and I will wholeheartedly support her in 2016. I wonder if she can get Bernie Sanders on the ticket?

as a leader (by which I suppose you mean as President) than she has in the past? What has she ever done that leads you to believe that?

And after a decade of relentless trashing the talking points against her by the right have been refined into near irrefutability.

go for Hillary if she's nominated. I'm not pro-Hillary but I'm with those who think she's the most well-known, qualified and can win.

I'm going on the assumption that, once in, she'd likely be more responsive to progressive legislative work, that she'd actually give the go-ahead to Sanders and Warren's strategies on the domestic front while taking a more controlling lead on the international trade and diplomacy fronts.

A lot can change in the next year.

Don't want him for President, but by far the best VP in my lifetime!

Clinton/Warren 2016 would really drive them insane.

Clinton/Sanders! That would be an awesome ticket, too (with Barack Obama as Secretary of State)!

Clinton/Obama as in Hillary and Michele.

Here: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115509/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clintons-nightmare

-Laelth

Martin O'Malley, Elijah communigs, Hillary, Warren

because she can win and I'm ready for a female POTUS

I want a candidate who can WIN a general election not a candidate who is a strong progressive but would not carry my parents' votes. Back in 2008 before I started working in politics, I was a firebrand progressive and an Edwards/Kucinich supporter (both dropped out by the time my state voted). Had one of them won, Sarah Palin would have been a heartbeat away from the presidency. I don't dislike Warren or Sanders, I just see them as representing the most liberal states in the union (see how the last three candidates from MA did) and would not stand a chance in the south (or even midwest).

Plus I see Warren as a single-issue candidate (I agree with her on the issue too) and they're much better off in the senate where they can focus their career on that issue. And personally I'd love to see Warren as treasury secretary or Federal Reserve chair.

The last thing I want is a President Christie (already bad enough the guy's my governor), President Cruz, President Paul, President Walker, or a 3rd President Bush.

we're all in deep shit!!! I'm referring to the GOP candidates

They've told me several times Warren is too liberal for them. Yet the LOVE Hillary.

We must be pragmatic in our pursuit of progressive goals. Hillary Clinton will keep the White House in Democratic hands while continuing to move our country in the right direction (And by "right", I mean CORRECT).

She is by far the most electable and she's progressive enough for me.

HILLARY 2016

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Nothing I keep hearing about the next election makes me remotely optimistic, especially if Hillary Clinton is, in the eyes of many, the best we can do.

It was hypothetical. Of course no one has announced. I'm pretty sure anyone that read my post knows that no one has announced. I was looking for opinions, based on what I thought might happen.

Only one other person is needed to make a ticket.

the rest get smoked on a national stage.

My red flag with Ms.Clinton is the Main Stream Media's near psychotic focus on her running. I read it as a clear signal that she is currently as far right as the media gatekeepers are even willing to contemplate. Which might not be far enough left to undo all the damage caused by nearly forty years of Reaganomics.

Dream this; Elizabeth speaking for the average Americans to the media, Bernie glaring down on House Republicans speaking bullshit, and Joe touring the globe as Sec of State, showing the world what we really are.

contemplate"....

Oh, dear, you hit the nail on the head, didn't you?

Follow the money...who is paying for all of these polls?

from Democrats, what makes anyone think that she'd win a national election now?

I'm completely puzzled by that thinking.

she won't be running against Obama!