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pinto

(106,886 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:09 PM Jun 2014

Heard some suggestions on TV today about Iraq. Partition. Your thoughts?

It came up a number of times. Fareed Zakariah called it a possible option B. Safe enclaves - Shia, Sunni, Kurd - in the region. I read that as de facto partition. As I went about the morning I heard it mentioned again with pro and con opinions.

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Didn't Biden raise that possibility while he was still a Senator?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jun 2014

In theory, and in broad brush, it's certainly possible. In practice, though, getting those factions to agree and then to abide peacefully by the agreement may be a pipe dream.

I sure don't have a different solution that I think has a chance of working, but that doesn't automatically mean that partition will work. And that means that the people who have the greatest stake in perpetuating the status quo will probably get their way.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
2. If we leave them alone
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

And after enough blood has been shed, that is exactly what will happen.

To force partition will create more bloodshed.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
5. Wouldn't support it here, either.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:11 PM
Jun 2014

I brought this up via some talking points / analysis I heard this AM. Partition may be a de facto possibility in the region. What's your take?

In a lot of ways we are bystanders to the events, however much we would like to call some of the decisions.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
4. I don't support the idea, though I see the possibility. I really think it's up to the locals to find
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

a local solution, if possible.

Cresent City Kid

(1,621 posts)
6. Aren't the current borders ones created after World War I by non-local actors 1000's of miles away?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

It would seem to dissipate tensions but disputes over resources and land on newly created borders might lead to continued violence. As mentioned above, any solution good or bad cannot be imposed.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
7. Yes, breaking up of the Ottoman Empire
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

after WWI. The French and the British drew some lines, rather willy-nilly and capriciously with little regard to tribal interests but more directed toward what they thought would satisfy the major players in assisting them in defeating the German axis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

I can see dividing Iraq up now, BUT in a decade - maybe less - they would be at each other's throats arguing for a united Iraq much like what happened in Vietnam.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
8. We don't need to do anything. This civil war was predicted as soon as Saddam was hanged......
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jun 2014

We only served as a separator for ten years or so, but it's been building all the while. We should fly over all the rest of the detainees on Guantanamo to the outskirts of Baghdad, which would eliminate another headache for us. The Christians had their civil war between sects for centuries and none got settled until enough blood was spilled to satisfy all the martyrs!

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. Did it work in India/Pakistan?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jun 2014

I'm trying to think of when this actually worked?

India/Pakistan?
North/South Korea?
North/South Vietnam?
North/South United States?


One might make a case for the breakup of portions of eastern Europe.
But that was a case where it was a forced union to begin with.

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