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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:04 AM Jul 2014

"Hillary Clinton Begins to Move Away From Obama Ahead of 2016"

Well, this puts the fox in the henhouse, DU-wise. Although I am not the least bit surprised to know that HRC plans to woo Republicans, i.e., Big Corporate Interests. We already know she favors more trade agreements, the Keystone Pipeline, Wall Street in general and Big Banking in particular. Hence this overall rah-rah-Hillary article in the Wall Street Journal.

Hillary Clinton has begun distancing herself from President Barack Obama, suggesting that she would do more to woo Republicans and take a more assertive stance toward global crises, while sounding more downbeat than her former boss about the U.S. economic recovery.

In another contrast, Mrs. Clinton has said U.S. presidents must never stop courting Congress. Mr. Obama has questioned whether such efforts make any difference. Mrs. Clinton expressed skepticism of candidates with "beautiful vision," while Mr. Obama still hammers on his 2008 campaign mantra: "Hope." "I mean, some people can paint a beautiful vision," she said at a CNN event last month. "And, thankfully, we can all learn from that. But then, can you, with the tenacity, the persistence, the getting-knocked down/getting-back-up resilience, can you lead us there?"

As she mulls a presidential bid, Mrs. Clinton also has suggested that her husband's administration offers a more viable model for governing in polarized times than Mr. Obama's.
Partisanship in the 1990s was as grave as it is today, she suggested at the Colorado event. Nevertheless, Mr. Clinton made inroads with hostile Republican lawmakers, Mrs. Clinton said.

"My husband had some really serious problems with the Congress when he was in office," she said. "They shut down the government twice. They impeached him once. So it was not the most pleasant of atmospheres. But I will say this: Bill never stopped reaching out to them."
Building those relationships on Capitol Hill "is something there is no rest from," she added.


http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/hillary-clinton-begins-to-move-away-from-obama-ahead-of-2016-1404691988-lMyQjAxMTA0MDAwNzEwNDcyWj
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"Hillary Clinton Begins to Move Away From Obama Ahead of 2016" (Original Post) Divernan Jul 2014 OP
Blecchhh. Elizabeth or Bernie, please run. HERVEPA Jul 2014 #1
I believe we'd be totally screwn had she won back in 2008. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #2
my D congressman now senator told me in '08 he backed O b/c HRC wordpix Jul 2014 #3
Hey, she sold out to Scaife for newspaper endorsements in '08. Divernan Jul 2014 #4
Then your Congressman was not attuned to her relationship with her colleagues. Beacool Jul 2014 #22
Could it be the magnets? canoeist52 Jul 2014 #5
This report deserves some recs, please. Divernan Jul 2014 #6
Unbelievably disappointing but hardly surprising Hillary has no loyalty in return for that shown by President Obama to her. Elizabeth wud neva turn her back on the progress he's made. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #7
She's also moving away from the Hispanic vote. Divernan Jul 2014 #8
It's not cold hearted, it's pragmatic. Beacool Jul 2014 #21
I have to agree calguy Jul 2014 #37
She should have her own agenda, if one thing is to keep ACA and perhaps improve Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #9
So you agree w/ her criticism Obama's not tenacious; doesn't get up when knocked down? Divernan Jul 2014 #11
I never said your statement, I said she should have her own agenda. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #13
Reagan's agenda has continued to this day (overall) during both R and D Admins. nt stillwaiting Jul 2014 #24
Yes, moving further to the right is exactly the best strategy for Democrats. Yeah, that's it. Scuba Jul 2014 #10
And distancing himself from a popular president worked so well for Gore..... beerandjesus Jul 2014 #23
Obama's approval rating is 41% Doctor_J Jul 2014 #26
You're right, point conceded. beerandjesus Jul 2014 #28
The next Democratic Presidential candidate should DEFINITELY be running away from Obama... Maedhros Jul 2014 #29
It just occurred to me that Obama won the presidency because he supported issues Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #12
Put some thought into this: Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #15
Nonsense. Beacool Jul 2014 #20
As Kerry said in 2008, Obama was being gracious in saying that rather than embarrass the nominee karynnj Jul 2014 #35
i could not agree more noiretextatique Jul 2014 #25
And what we got was NAFTA - TBF Jul 2014 #14
And DOMA, DADT, welfare alsame Jul 2014 #17
Ir sounds to me like she's forgetting... MoonchildCA Jul 2014 #16
This should be interesting. bvar22 Jul 2014 #18
So, now we believe the spin from a RW newspaper like the WSJ? Beacool Jul 2014 #19
When absent a substantive argument, blame the source. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2014 #31
BWAHAA! But we're supposed to believe WSJ polls! nt antigop Jul 2014 #33
One is supposed to read the information and judge its quality using critical thinking skills. Maedhros Jul 2014 #34
They can't have it both ways.... antigop Jul 2014 #36
EXACTLY! Those who want to rec this post should consider its source Rstrstx Jul 2014 #32
Will Mitch McConnell Have A Beer otohara Jul 2014 #27
Yeah, and Bill was impeached, called a murderer and a rapist. Zen Democrat Jul 2014 #30
Hillary is the worst damn nominee we could have. Splinter Cell Jul 2014 #38
Hillary Clinton is a fucking disaster! A disaster! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2014 #39
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. I believe we'd be totally screwn had she won back in 2008.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jul 2014

Sounds like she believes "Building those relationships on Capitol Hill" is really important!!11!!

I'm decidedly NOT ready for Hillary, I never will be.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
3. my D congressman now senator told me in '08 he backed O b/c HRC
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:12 AM
Jul 2014

and Pres. Clinton were so hated by Congressional R's, the congressman thought Obama would have a better chance than HRC of getting along and getting things done with Congressional R's.

Little did he know.

And HRC seems to forget her history with the R's.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
4. Hey, she sold out to Scaife for newspaper endorsements in '08.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:16 AM
Jul 2014

You know, that Richard Scaife whose death provoked an outpouring of hatred and loathing on DU.
Yup, she traveled to the Tribune-Review offices in little Greensburg, PA and persuaded him to have his chain of conservative newspapers support her in the '08 primary. One secret Dick Scaife took to his grave - what was the quid pro quo Clinton promised you?

In 2008, Mrs. Clinton, then a Democratic senator from New York running for president, met Mr. Scaife and editors and reporters of The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review for an interview. The newspaper endorsed her, and Mr. Scaife, in a commentary, said: “I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today. And it’s a very favorable one indeed.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/us/richard-mellon-scaife-influential-us-conservative-dies-at-82.html?_r=0

Yup, when it comes to rich old white conservatives, they're ready for Hillary.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
22. Then your Congressman was not attuned to her relationship with her colleagues.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jul 2014

She won their respect through hard work and by being as she often likes to say, "a work horse, not a show horse".

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
6. This report deserves some recs, please.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jul 2014

Don't want to see it sink without exposure, so please get this to the greatest page.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
7. Unbelievably disappointing but hardly surprising Hillary has no loyalty in return for that shown by President Obama to her. Elizabeth wud neva turn her back on the progress he's made.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jul 2014

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
8. She's also moving away from the Hispanic vote.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jul 2014
Yet Clinton glibly said during a recent CNN town hall that these young people “should be sent back” because “we have to send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Hillary-Clinton-s-immigration-misstep-5590648.php

Somehow, this cold-hearted comment doesn't fit in with either her dewy-eyed grandma-to-be spin or the Clinton Foundation's "noble" commitment to poor children.

Scene from a HRC presidency: Come sit on Grandma's lap and she'll tell you how many non-white kids who risked their lives to get into the US she deported today.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
21. It's not cold hearted, it's pragmatic.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jul 2014

47,000 children have been sent unaccompanied through a treacherous border crossing. No, the families in Central America should not be encouraged to keep sending these children.

calguy

(5,316 posts)
37. I have to agree
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 01:08 AM
Jul 2014

I'm all for legal immigration but this illegal stuff needs to be handled with a cold heart. Illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs and lowering our wages. They are like bloodsuckers sucking the life out of our social safety net. The more you let in the more will come. We simply cannot sustain this invasion. Only when word gets out that we swiftly send them back across the border will they begin to stop coming. Maybe if we just dropped them right back in Mexico's lap they might try to stop them as well. I know this sounds rather cold hearted, but I've seen so many leach off us for so long. I'm ready for all the negative reactions to this post.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. She should have her own agenda, if one thing is to keep ACA and perhaps improve
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jul 2014

It then this is good. She has lots of experience with world leaders having served as SOS. The DNC is lucky to have a pool in which to select a president and a VP. I l
am looking forward to seeing the Castro brothers mature also, future blood.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
11. So you agree w/ her criticism Obama's not tenacious; doesn't get up when knocked down?
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jul 2014

Basically, you're saying she would have been a more effective president than Obama, and I find that an amazing comment from someone who supports Obama, which I thought you did.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
13. I never said your statement, I said she should have her own agenda.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jul 2014

Every president should have their own agenda, our world changes all of the time, the GOP are still attempting to run on Reagan agenda, that is over, get a new agenda.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
28. You're right, point conceded.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jul 2014

But Obama would still be leaving HRC a record that a corporatist ought to be embracing rather than running from, and running to the right no less.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
29. The next Democratic Presidential candidate should DEFINITELY be running away from Obama...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jul 2014

...but running to the LEFT, not the RIGHT.

Baitball Blogger

(46,744 posts)
12. It just occurred to me that Obama won the presidency because he supported issues
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jul 2014

that Hillary was against. So it doesn't seem like she's interested in wooing the people that got him elected. She's wooing the people that benefit wildly through thirdway haggling.

Considering that the haggling generally involves encroaching on the constitutional rights of the underrepresented, I don't have much enthusiasm for what is to come.

Dear God, put Hillary in a working class setting for at least a month or two. She is so out of touch.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. Put some thought into this:
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jul 2014
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

lots to sink your teeth into now plus since she ran in 2008 she has traveled and gained lots of foreign experience, yes she is in touch.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
20. Nonsense.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jul 2014

They were a hairline apart on the issues. Yes, he spoke against the IWR while safely ensconced in Chicago. In 2004 when he was campaigning for Kerry, he admitted to Tim Russert that he didn't know how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate at the time.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
35. As Kerry said in 2008, Obama was being gracious in saying that rather than embarrass the nominee
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jul 2014

of the party. His comment around the time of the vote was a definite no.

Not to mention, HRC, in her new book, makes it very clear that she was for a more aggressive policy on Afghanistan, Iran, Syria ... than Obama allowed. That is the position that she is opting to take. It is NOT one that is popular here, but it is what she wrote in her book. She obviously is, like in 2008, aiming for general election positions before the primary. In addition, the country may be even less willing to intervene.

TBF

(32,070 posts)
14. And what we got was NAFTA -
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jul 2014
My New Year's celebrations this year were haunted by memories of January 1, 1994 -- the day that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) went into effect. I remember crying that day, thinking about the proud men and women in union halls across America, the Mexican campesinos and the inspiring Canadian activists I had met during the fight against NAFTA, and hoping desperately that our dire predictions would be proved wrong.

They were not. In short order, the damage started. And, we started to document it.

For NAFTA's unhappy 20th anniversary, Public Citizen has published a report that details the wreckage. Not only did promises made by NAFTA's proponents not materialize, but many results are exactly the opposite.

Such outcomes include a staggering $181 billion U.S. trade deficit with NAFTA partners Mexico and Canada and the related loss of 1 million net U.S. jobs under NAFTA, growing income inequality, displacement of more than one million Mexican campesino farmers and a doubling of desperate immigration from Mexico, and more than $360 million paid to corporations after "investor-state" tribunal attacks on, and rollbacks of, domestic public interest policies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html



I think the deal here is very frustrating. We have to vote for Hillary (or whomever is anointed the chosen one) because we have no choice on the civil rights front - we are moving towards the Conservative Christian's own sharia law at an alarming pace which will be horrific for women, children, gay individuals etc.

But we are also on the neolib/neocon path of turning this country into a third world nation. I don't think this is accidental in the least. People's expectations are being managed by guiding them into lower paying jobs or outright retirement. This is how the costs of the aging baby boom generation are being "dealt with".

As time goes on it will continue to be an even more globalized economy with largely low-paying jobs everywhere in the world, with the exception of the few high-skilled pockets we see here and there.

All I can say is "workers of the world unite" because that is the only way to fight back. The old man had it correct no matter how much DUers like to disparage him.



alsame

(7,784 posts)
17. And DOMA, DADT, welfare
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jul 2014

reform, telecom act, repeal of Glass Steagall. Not sure she really wants to go down the "Bill worked with the GOP" road.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
16. Ir sounds to me like she's forgetting...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jul 2014

...she still needs to make it through the primary process.

Moving to the center a little too soon there, Hillary.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
18. This should be interesting.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:52 PM
Jul 2014

Now it looks like Hillary is a Racist & a Hater,
because what else could it be?

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
19. So, now we believe the spin from a RW newspaper like the WSJ?
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jul 2014

Good to know..........

"They don't think the economy has recovered in a way that has helped them or their families," Mrs. Clinton said. In contrast, Mr. Obama sounded almost cheery after Thursday's jobs report, saying the country could make even more progress if Congress were willing to "set politics aside, at least occasionally."

If anything, she was chiding Congress for doing so little, not Obama.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
34. One is supposed to read the information and judge its quality using critical thinking skills.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jul 2014

Those skills become very dull if one automatically pre-judges the content of an article based upon its publishing source.

In this case, the WSJ polling data confirms much of what I suspected Hillary's strategy would be, given her coziness in the past with neo-con ideaology and Wall Street.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
36. They can't have it both ways....
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jul 2014

On the one hand, they'll say we should disregard an article ("consider the source&quot but on the other hand, we should believe polls from the same source.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
32. EXACTLY! Those who want to rec this post should consider its source
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 06:10 PM
Jul 2014

I really love this passage (emphasis added):

"I mean, some people can paint a beautiful vision," she said at a CNN event last month.


Yet the article leads you to think she said it yesterday. The WSJ is desperately parsing words and phrases cobbled together from here and there to make it look like she's trying to do a hit job on the president. Their sister company Fox will only be too happy to run with this theme for a week or so before moving on to some other manufactured scandal.

And to the poster above, YES, I AM questioning the source, especially at how out of context I think these comments were taken (and when they were made).

Don't worry, they'll get bored with it soon enough and go back to their favorite past time of finding something to blame Obama for. I remember I made a bet with someone a few months ago that Fox would find a way to blame Obama for flight 370 and they thought I was crazy. I admit it took them longer than I thought - about two weeks - but they were finally able to string together some twisted way to put some blame on him. You should expect nothing less from the WSJ.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
30. Yeah, and Bill was impeached, called a murderer and a rapist.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jul 2014

He sure did humor those Republicans well. He gave them a repeal of Glass-Steagall, DOMA, DADT, Welfare Reform, no healthcare, and just exactly what did progressives get in return? Scorn.

Sorry, that kind of talk from Hillary reminds me to Al Gore stepping away from Clinton in 2000 and putting Joe Lieberman (an anti-Clinton activist senator) on the ticket. It didn't make Democrats happy then, and it won't help in 2016. If Hillary chooses to distance herself in a material way from Barack Obama, then she's toast for me.

I'd be happier with Elizabeth Warren.

Splinter Cell

(703 posts)
38. Hillary is the worst damn nominee we could have.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jul 2014

Democrats need to pull their heads out of their collective butt and start looking at other people.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
39. Hillary Clinton is a fucking disaster! A disaster!
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 07:29 PM
Jul 2014

If she is our nominee in 2016, this country WILL have a Republican president.

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