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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:42 PM Aug 2014

Rand Paul’s foreign policy fraud: Where’s the supposed anti-interventionist now?

He flip-flopped on Israel, went AWOL on bombing ISIS. Now he has “mixed feelings." The jig is up

JOAN WALSH


Where’s Rand?

Robert Draper just informed us: This might be the nation’s “libertarian moment,” and that’s good news for Tea Party Sen. Rand Paul. The son of libertarian cult figure U.S. Rep. Ron Paul came in first among Republican 2016 contenders in a recent poll of millennial voters. “On issues including same-sex marriage, surveillance and military intervention,” Draper explained, “his positions more closely mirror those of young voters than those of the G.O.P. establishment.”

Draper’s an excellent reporter, but I’m not sure how he made that last claim, about military intervention. Because we don’t know Rand Paul’s positions on military intervention right now. He went radio silent after President Obama ordered airstrikes against Iraq, refusing multiple media requests for comment. Finally he commented on Obama’s decision Monday night in remarks to the Campbellsville, Ky. Chamber of Commerce:

I have mixed feelings about it. I’m not saying I’m completely opposed to helping with arms or maybe even bombing, but I am concerned that ISIS is big and powerful because we protected them in Syria for a year. Do you know who also hates ISIS and who is bombing them? Assad, the Syrian government. So a year ago, the same people who want to bomb ISIS wanted to bomb Syria last year. Syria and ISIS are on opposite sides of the war. We’re now bombing both sides of one war that has spread into another country.


“Mixed feelings: Rand Paul 2016” isn’t much of a campaign slogan.

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PAProgressive28

(270 posts)
1. This is why I hate when liberals pretend the guy's a hero
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:48 PM
Aug 2014

Say what you want about his father but Ron would have expressed his feelings on the issue. Rand is too worried about what could hurt him in 2016. He's just another GOP fraud.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
2. Never met a liberal who pretends Rand Paul is a hero.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:02 PM
Aug 2014

I have met liberals who believe it's ok to make common cause with him on issues where we agree.


And I've met a lot of "liberals" on here who like to pretend every Democrat who isn't Obama is secretly a Paulbot (tm).

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
6. What he said did not make the least bit of sense
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:24 PM
Aug 2014

and was a painful, I mean P A I N F U L dodge to avoid either taking his SUPPOSED position (no military interventionalism abroad) which would put him in a bad spot with more hawkish republicans OR saying he is OK with it, which would run counter to his brand.

My eyes bled reading that babble ...

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
7. I agree with him. We helped create an ungoverned space in Syria
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:28 PM
Aug 2014

(by supporting the Syrian rebels) where ISIS was able to thrive.

We shouldn't have done that, but now ISIS are running amok in Iraq it's probably a good idea to put a brake on them.

(Although it should have been done much sooner).

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
8. I suppose
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:32 PM
Aug 2014

if you decipher it there might be some truth to it ...

But, it was a dodge.

He was asked about his position on the use of bombing in Iraq and went on some tangent to sound all knowledgeable while not answering the question ...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. As I've continually pointed out, Paul is a fraud on many things
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:47 PM
Aug 2014

but he'll continue to get love on DU as long as he gives his cultists the occasional anti-NSA soundbite...

anti partisan

(429 posts)
10. I don't see anyone loving Rand Paul here
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:13 AM
Aug 2014

I don't know where you're looking cause I sure don't see the love.

Sometimes, he says something right about things. Acknowledging that doesn't equate to love.

Hillary Democrats like using "crazy libertarians" to force liberals away from taking pro-civil liberties stances. Don't let them do so. What is right will always be right, no matter who says it.

anti partisan

(429 posts)
9. Not much to see here really - did we really expect anything else?
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:12 AM
Aug 2014

Sure, Rand Paul believes in Rand Paul being President, not much else. Even if he does have a few decent principles, you can count on him selling them out before he can actually accomplish anything positive.

Such is the state of US National Politics. Find me one candidate who won't sell out his/her principles and they will have my vote and support! And not someone with crazy ideas like Ron Paul.

And for the record, despite his prelude about bombing ISIS, his argument did seem to be that we shouldn't have intervened in Syria the first place, which I agree with, and also is "non-interventionist". I don't even support non-interventionism in a dogmatic sense, but really this is a lot better than what Hillary has been saying.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
12. Rand Paul is a regular assume TeaPubliKlan that plays a libertarian on and for TV
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:51 AM
Aug 2014

In virtually every conflict between the TeaPubliKlan agenda and his supposed libertarian principles, TeaPubliKlan wins.

This is not to endorse libertarianism but to point out the guy is a phony, a hypocrite, and just a con man working an angle.

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