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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 04:33 PM Aug 2014

Why The Liberal Love For Rand Paul Is Wrong

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is no doubt delighting in the liberal love he is receiving for his TIME magazine op-ed on race, policing, and the crisis in Ferguson, Missouri. But I am not one of those easily impressed. Why not? Because he is wrong.

Paul is correct to critique the militarization of local police in America. But that’s not a new phenomenon when it comes to black communities in America – it’s been the norm since the 1960s. And the demilitarization argument does nothing to challenge nor change the fact that “nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012”, according to FBI statistics. Two times a week. That’s everyday local policing, and has nothing to do with the militarization of local police forces, nor big government. The choke-hold that killed Eric Garner or the multiple gunshots that killed Michael Smith were not military-grade weapons. They were weapons used as the result of what Senator Paul believes in most strongly, when it comes to civil rights: “a lot of things can be handled locally”.

And this is where he gets it most wrong. Sen. Paul’s most mistaken premise is that “big government” is “at the heart of the problem”, presumably when it comes to the loss of black life at the hands of the police.

In what country is he living? He is flatly wrong to suggest that there has been an “erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows police to become judge and jury.” Maybe that’s the case for white America, but certainly not for black America or communities of color. There is no “erosion” of civil rights and liberties because on some level, local police have never respected the rights and liberties of African-American communities. Black bodies have always been subject to surveillance, suspicion, illegal and unconstitutional search and seizures, brutality and – as we’ve tragically witnessed for the third time this week – murder. Murder of unarmed black people at the hands of local police. These lethal and violent deaths of black citizens – again, nearly two times a week – are not the result of “big government,” but small government at its worst.

And this is where the brute facts, based on the radically different lived experiences of minorities in America, come up against Paul’s shaky premises. Because for black Americans, what Sen. Paul disparages as “big government” is actually the government we trust most. It is local government that African Americans trust the least – and the primary reason is the relationship of local police to black communities. According to a 2013 Pew poll, only two in ten whites “trust the government in Washington to do what is right” either always or most of the time, compared with roughly four in ten blacks and Hispanics.

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Why The Liberal Love For Rand Paul Is Wrong (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2014 OP
I am a liberal, and it has never occurred to me to love Rand Paul. djean111 Aug 2014 #1
The simple sentence to cure Rand Liberal love DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #2
Libertarians are automatically wrong in ALL SITUATIONS. onehandle Aug 2014 #3
Do Liberals love Rand Paul? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #4
Good article AndreaCG Aug 2014 #5
What a load. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #6
You're my DUer of the day! bigwillq Aug 2014 #7
??? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #11
They are simply wrong. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #12
No love for Rand, but it's noteworthy that a right winger even acknowledges institutionalized racism Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #8
It is presidential campaigning bullshit Cosmocat Aug 2014 #14
No, his policy solution here would be to stop using federal money to heavily arm local police Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #16
You are talking about the guy who wanted to revoke the Civil Rights Act Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #20
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Blue Idaho Aug 2014 #9
Rand Paul is not a nice person Gothmog Aug 2014 #10
+1 Enthusiast Aug 2014 #13
It is possible to agree with someone on a single issue without loving him. malthaussen Aug 2014 #15
This comes from prioritizing the wrong issues. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #17
Agreeing with Rand Paul on one issue is "liberal love"? HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #18
I certainly do not "love" this man at all. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #19
He seems to be crazy Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2014 #21
Funny how if you're a liberal, and..... beerandjesus Aug 2014 #22

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
2. The simple sentence to cure Rand Liberal love
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 04:49 PM
Aug 2014

Everything he wants to stop Uncle sam from doing to us, he will allow and encourage Wall Street to do to us directly.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
3. Libertarians are automatically wrong in ALL SITUATIONS.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:18 PM
Aug 2014

Fuck Looneytarians.

It's like admiring Hitler because he was fond of dogs.

Fuck Rand Paul.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
5. Good article
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:46 PM
Aug 2014

I just read a FB post by one of my few RW friends. We agree Rand Paul is not our man, albeit for different reasons.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
8. No love for Rand, but it's noteworthy that a right winger even acknowledges institutionalized racism
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:56 PM
Aug 2014

The man belongs to a political party whose present day coalition was formed initially from opposition to civil rights. Most rank and file GOPers don't believe that racism even exists anymore, except for "reverse racism".

Rand Paul is no trail blazer on these issues, but his mere acknowledgement of reality is a big step in the right direction when you consider the opinions of his colleagues (see Steve King). I'd also note that he and his father are spot on about the War On Drugs and it's sad that they're more right about it than most Democrats.

That said, the man is a fucking regressive lunatic on so many other issues.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
14. It is presidential campaigning bullshit
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:21 AM
Aug 2014

this would be the equivalent of Bernie Sanders coming out to advocate for privatizing SS or against gay marriage ...

It just is not where he is really at with it.

And, his "policy" solution here would be to take the teeth out the federal government's efforts to ensure equality.

THINK ABOUT THAT, while he gets gratuitous pats on the back for people who WANT to see some republican saying something not absolutely ridiculous about race, what he is advocating for is a Trojan Horse, fighting against the very things that have been developed to try to engender equality AND roll them back to make minorities more vulnerable.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
16. No, his policy solution here would be to stop using federal money to heavily arm local police
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:33 AM
Aug 2014

But he has made some very troubling comments regarding the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
20. You are talking about the guy who wanted to revoke the Civil Rights Act
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:38 PM
Aug 2014

to give small business owners "job creators" the right to discriminate based on race.

The reality is that he is an unapologetic racist just like his lunatic father. The KKK acknowledges racism exists - should we credit them as well?

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
9. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:08 PM
Aug 2014

The fact that Rand Paul occasionally takes a position that is palatable to liberals should not in any way make him an attractive figure. On the whole, he is a despicable huckster that will say anything and do anything to curry favor and seek political gain.

Gothmog

(145,530 posts)
10. Rand Paul is not a nice person
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 07:53 PM
Aug 2014

I would urge all liberals to keep away from Rand Paul and his daddy. They are racists and are not nice people

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
15. It is possible to agree with someone on a single issue without loving him.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:31 AM
Aug 2014

What bothers me is the all-or-nothing attitude I sometimes see around DU. A single criticism means hate, a single agreement means love. I don't understand that at all. Surely issues should be decided on their merit, and not on the basis of who advocates what position.

-- Mal

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
17. This comes from prioritizing the wrong issues.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:07 PM
Aug 2014

The economy, job creation, and preserving the social safety net trump all the issues libertarians and liberals agree on.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
18. Agreeing with Rand Paul on one issue is "liberal love"?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:55 PM
Aug 2014

WTF, is this a bullshit purity test, or just a lame strawman argument?

 
19. I certainly do not "love" this man at all.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:30 PM
Aug 2014

In fact, most of my other liberal friends have yet to utter a single kind word about the Pauls in general. Most of them view the Pauls as frauds and opportunists.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
22. Funny how if you're a liberal, and.....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:09 AM
Aug 2014

...you criticize Obama for anything, no matter how right-wing, you're an asshole for imposing a purity test. (And you have ODS.)

BUT....

...if you agree with Rand Paul on one or two issues, you're a "Rand Paul lover", and fail the purity test.



Of course what's *really* funny is how some of us care about actual issues more than team sports.
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