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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:17 AM Sep 2014

Sovereign citizens have wacky new plot to take over government: their own grand juries

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/03/sovereign-citizens-have-a-wacky-new-plot-to-take-over-the-government-their-own-grand-juries/



Sovereign citizens have wacky new plot to take over government: their own grand juries
By Travis Gettys
Wednesday, September 3, 2014 13:36 EDT

A nationwide network of “sovereign citizens” believe they can bring down federal, state, and local governments by forming their own grand juries and making demands on government officials.

The National Liberty Alliance is attempting to set up common law grand juries in each U.S. county, and the group has drawn from more mainstream Republican and Tea Party activists than typical sovereign citizen organizations.

For example, Brant Frost V is an organizer for the NLA in Coweta County, Georgia – where he is also chairman of the county’s Republican Party.

He insists common law grand juries – borrowed from colonial American history, when there were no standing police forces or prosecutors and judges knew little about the areas they presided over – are not a radical plot but would simply foster a better informed and educated jury pool.
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Sovereign citizens have wacky new plot to take over government: their own grand juries (Original Post) unhappycamper Sep 2014 OP
Soverign Nation story Hoppy Sep 2014 #1
Nothing new here! Joe Bacon Sep 2014 #2
Every single one of which was tossed out of court Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #4
That Sounds Like It Would Be A Treat To Read, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #6
I quoted most of it Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #7
He is probably the leader of the local Klan as well davidpdx Sep 2014 #3
with per diems paid in Bitcoin? MisterP Sep 2014 #5
 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
1. Soverign Nation story
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:20 AM
Sep 2014

My friend is a child support hearing examiner in a N.J. city.

Black woman, ( mention the race because sovereignty is usually relegated to rural red necks) is asked for her Social Security number.

Responds that she doesn't have to give that because she doesn't acknowledge the federal gub'mint's authority over her.

She is told that she won't get any child support money unless she furnishes the S.S. number.

"131-xx-xxxx"

Hearing proceeds.

Joe Bacon

(5,165 posts)
2. Nothing new here!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:39 AM
Sep 2014

These same right wing assholes did this when Clinton was president. They had their own "juries" that issued judgments in the form of phony liens against government agencies and people.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
4. Every single one of which was tossed out of court
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:37 AM
Sep 2014

In a criminal case in 2013, the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington noted:

Defendant Kenneth Wayne Leaming is apparently a member of a group loosely styled “sovereign citizens.” The Court has deduced this from a number of Defendant’s peculiar habits.

First, like Mr. Leaming, sovereign citizens are fascinated by capitalization. They appear to believe that capitalizing names has some sort of legal effect. For example, Defendant writes that “the REGISTERED FACTS appearing in the above Paragraph evidence the uncontroverted and uncontrovertible FACTS that the SLAVERY SYSTEMS operated in the names UNITED STATES, United States, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and United States of America . . . are terminated nunc pro tunc by public policy, U.C.C. 1-103 . . . .” (Def.’s Mandatory Jud. Not. at 2.) He appears to believe that by capitalizing “United States,” he is referring to a different entity than the federal government. For better or for worse, it’s the same country.

Second, sovereign citizens, like Mr. Leaming, love grandiose legalese. “COMES NOW, Kenneth Wayne, born free to the family Leaming, [date of birth redacted], constituent to The People of the State of Washington constituted 1878 and admitted to the union 22 February 1889 by Act of Congress, a Man, “State of Body” competent to be a witness and having First Hand Knowledge of The FACTS . . . .” (Def.’s Mandatory Jud. Not. at 1.)

Third, Defendant evinces, like all sovereign citizens, a belief that the federal government is not real and that he does not have to follow the law. Thus, Defendant argues that as a result of the “REGISTERED FACTS,” the “states of body, persons, actors and other parties perpetuating the above captioned transaction(s) [i.e., the Court and prosecutors] are engaged . . . in acts of TREASON, and if unknowingly as victims of TREASON and FRAUD . . . .” (Def.’s Mandatory Jud. Not. at 2.)

The Court therefore feels some measure of responsibility to inform Defendant that all the fancy legal-sounding things he has read on the internet are make-believe...


Kenneth Wayne Leaming was found guilty of three counts of retaliating against a federal judge or law enforcement officer by a false claim, one count of concealing a person from arrest, and one count of being a felon in possession of a firearm. On May 24, 2013, Leaming was sentenced to eight years in federal prison.
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