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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:52 PM Sep 2014

The War to End All Wars

I was just looking at my grandfather's WWI stuff.

The war to end all wars. My grandfather and his generation fought for peace. Peace for his country and for the people he loved - including my children who he never met.

How incredibly noble!

Peace does not seem to be an objective anymore. War is not seen as the devil's work. It's the domain of corporations and American citizens need not worry about it - it supports the economy.

What has happened to America that peace is no longer important to so many?

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Adam051188

(711 posts)
1. in order to maintain a stable tiered society there need to be enemies to be protected against.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:59 PM
Sep 2014

real or imaginary.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
3. abstract thought hasn't been developed by a high enough percentage of the population here yet...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:07 PM
Sep 2014

...for those enemies to create the necessary social dynamics for feudalism to be maintained.

we teach kids here that the american civil war started because of slavery, not that it ended with the north stripping the south's source of trade favoritism with europe.

just my observation based on anecdotal experience. hopefully i'm wrong.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
4. Feudalism?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:19 PM
Sep 2014

For abstract thought to be developed we need better education. Another value thrown under the bus.

We don't need lords, we need perspective. Our government is owned and if we wake up in time, we can take it back.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
5. u.s.a. has most billionaires in the world by far. it also has highest childhood poverty rate....
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:22 PM
Sep 2014

...in developed world, also by far.


that sounds like feudalism to me

oh ya remember the dupont heir who raped his two year old son and didn't go to jail?

that also sounds like feudalism.

edited: what we do to our kids cannot be called education.

also on edit: i know we don't have knights and squires and kings anymore, so it's not techniquly feudalism, can we call it neo-feudalism?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
6. We also hold more prisoners than China. We're involved in endless war... etc.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:29 PM
Sep 2014

OK - I can see it.

What's the difference between Feudalism and Oligarchy other than Feudalism sounds cooler?

I still think that we can change directions and America will be here for my grandchildren. Places like this are why.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
7. spartan oligarchy did not denote social privilege the way american "ownership" does.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:35 PM
Sep 2014

it was merely a method of creating laws and structure. my understanding is that it was not hereditary. sparta was very different though, obviously being a city state and having a REAL militarized population.

feudalism denotes almost unlimited social privileged as well as government control.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
8. Unlimited social privileged as well as government control - it does describe the 1% today. No doubt.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:48 PM
Sep 2014

Just like so many governments now and in the past... corruption prevails.

We have a system for change.

Americans need to wake up and begin voting or we will lose the quality of life we enjoy now and have in the past. Think it's bad now? We're on a precipice. Our grandchildren are depending on us.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
9. a solid understanding of history is pivotal here.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:09 PM
Sep 2014

understanding what colonialism and corporatism are in respect to european economics.

human history is a story of capitalism against communism. capitalism encourages militarism, innovation, and dominance while communism encourages social welfare, social well being, and wholeness. capitalism wins with force, then keeps winning until it self destructs.

i choose not to focus on the near future because it's messy no matter what.

what can you do here? end stage self destruct capitalism needs a new enemy. this process becomes more dangerous with nuclear proliferation however the beneficiaries don't really care about that. who do you think the enemy is? capitalism has been exported and now has a stranglehold on china, russia, and india. we are the new enemy.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
10. Quite simply, we ended the draft.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 01:49 AM
Sep 2014

America, as a nation, is utterly divorced from war. It does not affect us. It affects a tiny number, leas than 1%, who are silly enough to volunteer to engage in it. More than 99% of us have no emotional engagement in it at all.

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