2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere is a group of Americans out there...
... that is willing to lose everything to the point of living under an overpass in a tent with a rat on a stick just so long as the group in the next tent does not have a rat or a stick to put it on. And while we fight each other the rich get richer and we lose more, all because red herrings like race, immigration, and the "evils" of socialism are used by conservatives to do what they always accuse their opponents of doing - wage class warfare.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)I have seen some pretty sad cases.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Take one big abandon building. Ensure it is safe. Throw some cots in it and let the homeless come and go as they please. Add heat and air conditioning. I don't think it would take much from the budget at all. Homeless problem solved. Too easy.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and it least it would get the homeless out of the elements, but there will be lots of security and safety issues.
I do volunteer work at our local homeless shelter, helping to feed them. During the winter months, basically from mid-October to mid-March, we serve dinners every night and have room for I think about 80 overnight, although I don't believe anyone is actually turned away for lack of space.
Many homeless have mental health issues of one sort or another, and every so often I have witnessed someone going off, and shouting about something or another. We have separate rooms for women and men, and the rare children we get will always be with the mother.
Money is actually a huge issue. In your suggestion, who is going to refurbish that abandoned building so it is safe? Who will pay for the cots, the heat and a/c? If you hope to provide meals, who is going to pay for them? To fix them? Not all cities even have abandoned buildings that would be available.
Here in Santa Fe, with the Interfaith Shelter, the one I volunteer with, only open overnight for less than half of the year, there is still a bit of a problem getting enough people to do those evening meals. While it is possible to get food from the local food bank, often the volunteers like me pay directly out of pocket for a lot of stuff.
I am not wanting to just shoot down your idea, but there are ramifications that need to be thought through. And I am not intending snark when I say, if you know of a potentially suitable abandoned building where you live, see if you can get the ball rolling about this. It just takes a few caring people to do the hard work, and problems can be solved.
classof56
(5,376 posts)And kudos for the work you and others do caring for those in need.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)and use a housing grant from the state to refurbishing it into single room only units. I do not know how that worked out because I ended up moving because I suddenly found myself homeless. I moved in with relatives.
At another time in my life I was homeless with my two young daughters living in a car. At that point I would have given almost anything to have one of those semi-private single room only units to live in. That is when I started loving the idea of small houses and to this day I would love to remodel a small garage with a bath, kitchenette and living space for myself. Many communities are trying ideas like this. I hope at least some of them are working out.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Salt Lake City crunched the numbers. And the prescription was clear. The city was spending $20,000 per homeless resident per year funding for policing, arrests, jail time, shelter, and emergency services. Homelessness was not going down. Instead, for $7,800 a year through a new program called Housing First, the city could provide a person with an apartment and case management services.
In 2005, the city was spending $40 million to address chronic homelessness. Several years after starting the Housing First program, in 2013, spending was down to $9.6 million. And more importantly, chronic homelessness has dropped 72 percent.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I've never heard of that program before.
Needs more exposure. Thanks for enlightening me.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)where the strong would exploit the weak and feeble. Stay a night in most of the large(r) homeless shelters ... despite being staff 24/7, they can be very dangerous places.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)than what we do now. But we apparently feel compelled to "punish" homeless for their plight.
Even if you dont think society has a moral obligation to care for the least among us, a new study underscores that we have a financial obligation to do so.
Late last week, the Central Florida Commission on Homelessness released a new study showing that, when accounting for a variety of public expenses, Florida residents pay $31,065 per chronically homeless person every year they live on the streets.
The study, conducted by Creative Housing Solutions, an Oklahoma-based consultant group, tracked public expenses accrued by 107 chronically homeless individuals in central Florida. These ranged from criminalization and incarceration costs to medical treatment and emergency room intakes that the patient was unable to afford.
Andrae Bailey, CEO of the commission that released the study, noted to the Orlando Sentinel that most chronically homeless people have a physical or mental disability, such as post-traumatic stress disorder. These are not people who are just going to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get a job, he said. Theyre never going to get off the streets on their own.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/05/27/3441772/florida-homeless-financial-study/
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)& let them just live? Cheap housing, sure; there are lots of ways to provide that.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)it was one of the first of its kind. Just starting when I was there(SF).
I'm sure it's either gone or completely different now, but that was the idea.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)like India and China. There's a reason Wall Street sends millions of jobs there, and it isn't because of their freedom and democracy.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)there is an entire political movement (of non-wall streeters) ... go to any conservative site and read what is being said by the vast majority of its class membership. How many of them do you think are wall streeter/the 1%? The vast majority are working class folks that, for whatever reason, are predisposed to drag others down into the mud; rather than, getting themselves (and others) out of the mud pit.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)cops refering to citizens as "animals".
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Working together in lock step via media ownership, Wall Street has convinced Americans to divide themselves. As long as they keep tearing us apart at the fringes of social policy, Wall Street's collective power will never be threatened. And I don't believe this strategy is unique to Republicans. It is a strategy for maintaining control that transcends our two political parties.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)some, a majority, of the "blame" lies in the selfishness of humans. In the competition for resources (in this society), no one needs to "told" to hoard what little they have; nor, do they have to be told that it's easier to STOP someone from getting something than to take something from another. Lastly, this same collective doesn't need to be told that "changing the rules" now, will prevent them from benefiting from those rules ... once they winning the lottery or invent the next Microsoft or are just recognized for the genius that is them.
EEO
(1,620 posts)tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)Doesn't care what becomes of the disemboweled 99% only that they remain such fighting among selves over week old bread and who can & can't vote.
valerief
(53,235 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)Weren't really talking specifically about issue of homelessness were you?
EEO
(1,620 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Pickins' are slim hereabouts. Too many people trying to live off the Land. The Rats have been hunted to extinction.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)mopinko
(70,109 posts)you must know some of my neighbors.
EEO
(1,620 posts)mahannah
(893 posts)... Ive seen some enormous, heated, air conditioned, tax free churches mostly empty except for a few hours on Sunday. Perhaps a starting point?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)for working people, we will continue on the road downhill.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)world wide wally
(21,743 posts)The Aristocracy and a working class that will do anything for a pittance. (see Charles Dickens).
Now That is the American way!
EEO
(1,620 posts)And the other two Roosevelts while we are at it.