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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:40 PM Nov 2014

Two aspects of immigration reform that get shoved under the carpet -

1. Wages: People are frightened that if all the undocumented people become citizens, they will go out, get jobs, and depress wages, especially at the low end. The fact is, undocumented people are already working, and precisely because they are undocumented, they are lowering wages. Given the protection of citizenship, they would be able to organize to demand better treatment.

2. Disenfranchisement: We hear a lot about Republican fears of Latinos supporting Democrats. What we don't hear about is this: the United States economy depends on the young workers arriving as immigrants. Our failure to recognize this and provide a means for authorized entrance to the US means that we have developed a large underclass denied the right to vote.

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Two aspects of immigration reform that get shoved under the carpet - (Original Post) hedgehog Nov 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #1
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #2
Huddled masses yearning to breath free...and yearning to work too Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #3
K&R lunamagica Nov 2014 #4
Another thing too Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #5
Not to mention - the people who are in the shadows now will not hedgehog Nov 2014 #6
Excellent point! Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #7
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Actually ...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:09 PM
Nov 2014
The fact is, undocumented people are already working, and precisely because they are undocumented, they are lowering wages. Given the protection of citizenship, they would be able to organize to demand better treatment.


They won't have to organize to realize better treatment ... legal status, automatically provides Wage & Hour protections, e.g., minimum wage, over-time, and OSHA protections, e.g., safe workplaces. Also, legal status will increase worker mobility. Both of these, will result in INCREASES in wages, across the board, as it will provide a universal floor in wages, and decreases in downward wage pressures.

Bagsgroove

(231 posts)
3. Huddled masses yearning to breath free...and yearning to work too
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:01 PM
Nov 2014
"... the United States economy depends on the young workers arriving as immigrants."

Exactly. And now more than ever.

The combination of falling birthrates and an aging population in most of the industrialized nations means countries that discourage immigration will soon find that the number of their elderly citizens in need of services exceeds the number of younger workers whose taxes pay for those services.

This is why we should be glad to have so many people around the world who want to come to this country. It is an advantage the U.S. has always had and needs now more than ever.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
5. Another thing too
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 03:47 PM
Nov 2014

for scared, frightened conservatives is that it should be in the interest of public safety that immigrants are able to come "out of the shadows" so that we know who they are and better determine which ones are risks to society and such.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
6. Not to mention - the people who are in the shadows now will not
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:11 PM
Nov 2014

call or cooperate with the police for any reason lest they end up being deported.

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