who couldn't see THAT coming.....the rightwing just use the same playbook over and over. The send out these trial balloons to get the far left all stirred up too.....because what are they Masters at? It certainly ain't governing.... its marketing and voter suppression!

I know this sounds stupid, but I hear her impatience in her voice.

That anger and impatience were part of their problem in the 2008 primary.

Perhaps it is a bit better now that she is older. But it will be a problem for her and for Democrats if she runs.

White men can speak passionately...its called strong leadership....when a woman does it....she's got "anger issues"....which is wink and nod code words for she's a "b***ch".

It's because she gets angry. Her jaw tightens as do the rest of the organs that produce her voice, and her voice production reflects who she is and how she feels. It wouldn't be any different if she were a man. Same physiological indications for anger.

Children know when a grown-up is angry based on the voice. An angry mother or father not only shows his or her anger in her or his face, but also uses an angry tone of voie. That tone of voice is produced through certain physical changes in the voice.

A good actor knows how to sound angry. A good singer knows how to sound angry. It is physiological. Hillary has been doing much better with this in recent years, but it will be a problem for her.

I don't hear that said about him....although he also has to work hard to avoid the "angry Black man" stereotype....


As a woman...I KNOW this....


and see post number two....might want to look to see who you are "agreeing with"

Sometimes passion can sound like anger, but the sound of anger is not necessarily the same as passion. And a problem for Hillary is that sometimes when she is angry she also sounds very arrogant and impatient with what she perceives as the stupidity of the person she is listening to or disagreeing with or talking about.

Obama is pretty good at not showing negative emotions of this sort although recently I have noticed that he sounds a little more impatient and frustrated.

It's a question of patience. Some spiritual practices can help a person develop more patience. Yoga maybe?

We need a president with a great deal of patience. Elizabeth Warren has passion, but her sense of humor makes her more patient. Scorn is not a sign of patience.

Bernie Sanders is also patient. Biden is pretty patient. It isn't a matter of the political viewpoint of the person. It is a personality and character trait. A lot of very successful, very ambitious people have very little patience. We need a president who has patience.

OBama has been almost too patient. But that has brought peace to our country at a time in which we are extremely divided. Obama's patience is frustrating to many of us on DU. Sometimes he has put up with too much from the Republicans.

The trick, the challenge, is to be patient but also firm. Someone with a very quick temper falls into the trap of reacting to unpleasantness and criticism and the other negative emotions of people and makes mistakes. That impatience shows in the voice. Arrogance can be heard in the voice. If you watch movies, you will hear characters who are intentionally angry, arrogant, etc.

Theoretically voice training could help a person control the voice to cover one's actual feelings. But then there is a loss of authenticity in the emotions which people hear and react to. Besides, people cannot keep in a phony character when under real pressure normally.

But you can hear personal characteristics in voices. If that were not true, you could not have radio plays. I grew up on radio.

One interesting thing is you say a good singer knows how to sound angry. I would assume that is likely true of actors as well. Does that mean that someone who is easily angered, could get voice training to focus on when they feel angry and to sound not angry by physiologically changing in a reverse way to those sounding angry?

Hillary Clinton has often seemed angry and it has always seemed that she can't hide when she is unimpressed with others - something Bill Clinton is expert at.

However, I have observed that there are many here on DU that almost worship those who DO have angry outbursts - Grayson and Webb (in the story where he supposedly was very rude to Bush) are two examples.

It's not guaranteed to teach a person who has difficulty expressing feelings, but it can help to loosen the muscles that are involved in all kinds of emotional expression. It's a matter of becoming aware and tuned into your own body.

As for worshiping people who are prone to angry outbursts, whether an angry outburst is justified depends on what it is about. If it is about a personal affront or a slight it makes the angry person seem petty and weak. If it is about a social injustice of great magnitude it makes the angry person seem all the nobler.

You have to judge Hillary for yourself, but she can sound angry at personal affronts and that is a problem. She needs to watch herself with regard to snickering and laughing at stupid people. It's understandable that she feels they are ridiculous but that is also a problem.

Your voice comes from what you are deep inside. An actor can keep up an act for a certain length of time -- get into character. But eventually, the real self will come through to those who know the actor well.

YOU don't get angry?



"the Angry Bitter Old woman"


this is ridic.

I expected this from the right and will not be surprised when the lefties jump on board with it. Looks like it has already started.

she is now the "Angry Bitter Old Woman".....since they cannot call her what they want to call her on DU and get away with it......its a Euphemism for the B word!

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Enough said.

justices? Yup, Bill Clinton sure appointed that conservative Ruth Ginsberg, and even though Bill is NOT Hillary, Hillary will appoint similar types of people.

I would expect Hillary to run the middle, similar to the President

and aggressive militarily.

Look where that got us. Bank failures. Bush II' administration failed to enforce the weak laws that remained in place to protect our banking system, but Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin still did their parts. Ginsberg is great, but NAFTA and the agreement that flooded us with cheap, Chinese products were not well negotiated or drafted. American workers and taxpayers are paying for those poorly drafted agreements every day.

We can do better than Hillary Clinton.

Does your wife agree with everything you say?

Every time brainwashed boobs tell me that MS-NBC is totally left wing, I ask them when did Morning Joke and Mrs. Greenspan become left wingers?

but this is the same network that hired the likes of S.E. Cupp, Chuck Todd, David Gregory, Luke Russert, Ron Christie, Michael Steele, and Abby Huntsman (although she and Steele appear more moderate). A real hard-left network would've never hired any of them.

I don't think Hillary is bitter but in my experience women sustain anger and grudges longer than guys do.

women are just "insert derogatory term for the B word" anyways...

don't recall the MSM focusing on that well known fact when he was running

Between Panetta and Schumer, the Democrats don't need republicans with idiots like this

Starting out early on as a rather moderate conservative, then changing colors to act as a loyal sycophant to President Obama in 2 different roles in Obama's administration, then changing colors again just in time to bash Hillary before she runs for President in 2016!!

Of course, Hillary has a temper.
Everyone does.
But, she never expressed it in public.
So, these "behind the scenes" tell-all books seem to merely come off as just more glossy versions of what the tabloid papers report because of all of the gossip they have printed in them about all of the Hollywood stars.

Panetta is just out to get his palm greased, in my opinion.
I couldn't care less what he has to say.

This was an interview done years ago given at the end of the Clinton years for history. At that time, I seriously doubt that any of the people involved on this project projected that either Clinton could be running for the Presidency in 2016. 2004, 2008, or 2012 all might have seemed more likely back in 2001.

I would assume that his memoir attempted to do one of two things - either distance himself from what he sees will be seen as failures or to bash Obama, while supporting Hillary Clinton. Although he is 76, he might have hoped that she would include him in her administration.

At the time he wrote that memoir, I doubt he even remembered what he had said over a decade ago. I also wonder how Hillary Clinton can run on her accomplishments as SoS if she and several other people on the first term national security team are all distancing themselves from it. Though Machiavellian, one would think they would want to argue that everything was going well and the second term team blew it. Instead, given all their running away from it, it should be easy for the Republicans to argue that the first term team with HRC as SoS (killing OBL or not) created all the problems that the second term team is scrambling to deal with. (Note this ignores that GWB's wars were by far the bigger problem.)

Yes there is HCS, held tightly, never give it up. When Bernie displayed his anger it was okay with some, we see it over and over.

Anger on behalf of justice is OK. It's petty, peevish anger and snickering at others that are not OK. The voters tend to dislike peevish anger and snickering because those behaviors reveal arrogance. And arrogance causes a person to make big mistakes in judgment. Or maybe people who tend to be overly arrogant are overly confident and therefore don't consider all factors in making decisions, and for that more complex reason are prone to error.

Bernie Sanders is a person who fights for justice and who is cautious in making decisions. That's my impression of him. He is what you could call very grounded.

I'm not so sure that Hillary is that well grounded. She tries. But I'm not sure she is.

Of the potential presidential candidates, Bernie is probably has his feet on the ground the most. But then, he probably is not as overly confident as the other potential candidates and doesn't have as many flatterers and sycophants around him.

like...

what's the next stereotype?

A crone....an Old Maid?

themselves. I like Elizabeth Warren. I like lots of the women in politics and I wish there were far more of them. I am a woman with sisters and daughters and lots of strong women in my family. Please don't jump to conclusions. Thanks.

We are tired of men telling US what to be upset about or that we SHOULDN'T be upset about....if she were a man you would call it resolute...passionate...firm....strong....or any number of positive words...

But when it is Hillary Clinton (or any woman with power)...she is a shrew....angry...."on the rag"....hormonal..PMS'ing..going through the change....etc etc etc...

You might want to take another tactic to attack women with power...that is if you don't WANT to sound sexist...

However my point remains....A man doing the same thing would not be called "Angry". Even Chris Chrstie barely gets called that.....and LOOK how abrasive HE is!

in which Chris Christie is the president.) Chris Christie is insulting and horrible. And I don't think he can help himself. That's the way he is.

I knew back in 2008 when it was still Obama vs. Hillary that the GOP's reaction to either candidate will come down to dog whistles - racial ones for Obama, gender ones for Hillary. And we've seen that with Obama. He's "foreign," "hates America," "arrogant," etc., all code for "he's black" or "he's black while being president." All those attacks on Obama are exercises in Othering. For Hillary I expect a lot of "she has anger issues" arguments and varieties thereof. Accusing a woman of anger is one of the most classic arguments of a patriarchal system.

Welcome to the 2016 elections...

Let it go. GWB smirked when he gassed a woman to death. Yeah, and McCain, too. Then there's mild-mannered and silver-tongued Christie. Oh, I could go on and I don't much care for her. Just another Uppity Woman. Nothing to see here.

We don't have to marry the first candidate who proposes to us. We should look at some other good, potential candidates.

I like Warren and Sanders. They are speaking to the issues that need attention now.

in my political mind's eye, either of them holding their hand on the Bible in January, but I still can't. And, I like both of them, don't like Hilary much, but darn it, American politics is about money...money...and more money. I hate it, but it's the truth. Ideals and even personalities come second. And it corrupts the system even further. Ugh.