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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:12 AM Feb 2015

Republicans sign Keystone bill, will make Obama wait on veto


The Hill
Republicans sign Keystone bill, will make Obama wait on veto
By Laura Barron-Lopez

Congressional Republicans plan to hold back legislation approving the Keystone XL pipeline to prevent President Obama from vetoing it while lawmakers are away from Washington.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/232765-republicans-thwart-quick-keystone-veto

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Republicans sign Keystone bill, will make Obama wait on veto (Original Post) Panich52 Feb 2015 OP
Is it legality or just custom that gives the authority to Obama, and not Congress, djean111 Feb 2015 #1
Yes. Igel Feb 2015 #6
Correct on both Panich52 Feb 2015 #7
This may be a stupid question, but what difference beveeheart Feb 2015 #2
That was my thought, too. NV Whino Feb 2015 #3
Harder to have poutrage in the media if they are are on yet another vacation... Thor_MN Feb 2015 #4
That does make sense, Thor. beveeheart Feb 2015 #8
Obama can't wait too C_U_L8R Feb 2015 #5
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Is it legality or just custom that gives the authority to Obama, and not Congress,
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:24 AM
Feb 2015

to decide about the pipeline and about foreign policy? Because if Congress is not supposed to decide about Keystone XL,
isn't that bill just frivolous? And isn't Netanyahu's stunt another meaningless thing? Congress can bitch and moan, as usual, about the Iran talks, but they cannot really have a say in them, is my understanding.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
6. Yes.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:36 PM
Feb 2015

Keystone is international. Any presidential authority stems from his general authority over international relations. The general rule, however, is that a specific law or provision cuts out an exemption or exception from the general law.

Congress has Constitutional authority specifically over the regulation of international commerce.

That puts the authority for dealing with it clearly in Congress' corner, using the usual legislative mechanisms.

However, since 1792 a lot of international commerce has sprung up in trivial sorts of ways. So for many decades Congress hasn't dealt with it. In the late 1800s through recent times the president has been left holding the bag in many if not most situations and has routinely said that he was taking action in the absence of any Congressional action, explicitly recognizing that Congress has first dibs, and saying that the matter had waited and Congress had simply not acted in an appropriate time frame.

There were some Congressional research office reports in the last decade or so that summarized this and laid out the historical and legal bases for this.

Keystone is one of the first times that the president has argued that the Congress explicitly does not have authority over international commerce, and his argument for vetoing the Keystone proposals so far aren't based on the merit of the legislation but on presidential prerogative: It's properly the executive's responsibility, not Congress', and how dare they meddle.

Ironically, this time it's Congress that's saying the dawdling's been the executive's.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
7. Correct on both
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 04:08 PM
Feb 2015

Because KXL involves a foreign company & country, it's a matter of State Dept. (Unfortunately, the State study Boehner keeps referring was flawed & even had a stink about it). The bill, I think, is is a way to pass the slew of amendments, like upping allowable oil exort. That selling the oil is rather counter to the supposed idea of "energy independence" is totally ignored.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
4. Harder to have poutrage in the media if they are are on yet another vacation...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:46 AM
Feb 2015

They might have to get up off their asses and find their way to local TV stations to shed their tears.

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