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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:11 PM Feb 2015

"Devistating Dem Losses at All Levels"? HERE's why and how to fix this.

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First, two years ago after the R's got POUNDED in 2012 everyone was asking if THEY were "all done." No they weren't, because here is the difference: THEIR VOTERS VOTE IN OFF YEAR AND SPECIAL ELECTIONS. WAY TOO MANY OF OURS DON'T. PLAIN AND SIMPLE !

THAT is the problem. Seriously, with 37% of voters voting last November, does that mean ANYONE really WON anything? Hell NO! It just means, and ONLY means, that the R's simply did a better job getting THEIR friendly voters to the polls. They had no great national message. There was no substance. In the last election it was, "We aren't Obama." and THEIR people VOTED. Remember, in 2006, 2008, and 2012, we got OUR friendly voters to the polls and routed THEM. So the REAL issue here is how to get more Dems to the polls in our off year cycles and especially WHEN we also hold the White House and Congressional majorities.

Part of the reason we lost so big in 2010 and 2014 is because of sheer laziness and apathy on the part of so many Dems and, yes, too many "progressives." If they are not being titillated is some way, which happens more often in the Presidential years, they won't get their asses off the couch to go vote and that is just the plain and honest indisputable truth. Obama certainly energized people when he ran, and in 06 so did Howard Dean and the hatred of Bush. Absent that, they wouldn't get off their asses. Couldn't be bothered. No SELF-motivation. And THAT is the pure SHITTY fact. NO EXCUSES for that one.

The second problem has been SHITTY DNC LEADERSHIP. Wasserman may be a good Congresswoman, but she shouldn't be in charge of the DNC. Put someone in charge like Dean who can do it FULL TIME and will do much better activating the grassroots.

The next problem is simple messaging and framing. You can't win by having a muddled, weak, sloppy, narrative and messaging. You don't energize your base by being WEAK. You have to be STRONG, unapologetic, and CLEAR. You win by TALKING TO PEOPLES' GUTS and NOT THEIR "HEADS." Want to know how to do it? Listen to FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, and Bill Clinton. Listen to Warren too. You need CLARITY, FIGHT, and GUTS. It doesn't so much matter if you are a bit more liberal or centrist, it is if you ARE PRINCIPLED and CLEAR and PRIORITIZED. And do you also FRAME UP THE REPUBLICANS WELL?

Look at Obama in 2012. He and his team DEFINED Romney as "an out of touch millionaire who has no clue about the plights of the middle and working classes." Simple as that, and they HAMMERED THE HELL OUT OF HIM.

In an election, you MESSAGE CLEARLY FROM YOUR GUTS TO his and her GUTS. You don't talk metaphysically and with charts and graphs. You make is PLAIN, CLEAR, SIMPLE, and HARD-HITTING. It goes like this:

"We are the party of the middle class and everyone trying to get into it. We are for low taxes for middle and working class folks. We are for investing in job training and infrastructure which creates jobs. We are for retirement security for our seniors and will never privatize your hard earned benefits. This is how you create a good economy, not just by giving tax cuts to the rich and hoping it will "trickle down" to everyone else. That is a stinking failure that has NEVER worked. We are out to destroy TRICKLE DOWN. While the Republicans go to work for the Koch Brothers and the big oil companies and the big banks, we are out to increase American manufacturing, increase American small business, partner business with colleges and job training schools, and get you a job that can be a well-paying career, and we will work overtime to get the costs of that education and training down so you aren't drowning in debt. We are for MIDDLE CLASS ECONOMICS. They are for FAILED TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. It is that plain and simple."

Give me ANY issue. The economy, gun ownership, taxes, abortion, whatever, and I will tell you how to MESSAGE it well.

The R's won in 2010, gerrymandered the districts, and that has ALSO helped them win again and hold majorities. Dems need to do the 50 state strategy, get the messaging CLEAR and TO PEOPLES' GUTS, and we WIN. You don't run for election by being wishy woshy, wonky, and SCARED by running away from your party, your president, and away from who the hell you are. That will NOT excite the base. That NEVER works. You win by talking from your GUT to their GUTS and standing by what you believe.

You say, "WE ARE THE PROUD PARTY OF WORKING AMERICANS, THE GREAT AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS, AND EVERYONE TRYING TO GET INTO IT AND STAY IN IT. Republicans are the party of FAILED VOODOO TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS WHO NEVER SAW A JOB THEY DIDN'T LOVE TO SEND TO CHINA, plain and simple."

SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, MEAN WHAT YOU SAY, BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, SPEAK FROM YOUR GUTS TO THEIR GUTS, BE STRONG DEMOCRATS, AND STAND BY IT !!

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. People get off their 'lazy asses' when you give them a good candidate.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:23 PM
Feb 2015

You showed that with your examples.

I agree with much of the rest of the post - messaging needs to be clear, simple, and plainly Democratic in nature. And if the candidate is up for re-election, they need to have shown that they actually stand behind their message with their actual votes in the preceding term in office.

That will really 'get out the vote'.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
2. We can't excuse all laziness and apathy. That is part of the problem and we need honesty about it.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:30 PM
Feb 2015

There were huge blocks of voters that refused to vote because a titillation such as the Obama candidacy, or hatred of Bush, were absent. It can't all be about titillation, though "excitement" IS important. There has to be some personal responsibility too. Stakes are ALWAYS high. Their side votes for SHIT at long as there is an R beside the name. Too many of ours refuse to get off the couch.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
3. bull. dems got millions more votes in the last several elections,
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:36 PM
Feb 2015

It's the gerrymandering and the capitulation.

And don't expect dems to get super excited to vote for any woman who calls Larry summers her "top econ advisor".

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
4. Bull. We got hammered in 2010 and 2014 because way too many of our people didn't vote.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:39 PM
Feb 2015

If you read my whole post, you'd see I also said the gerrymandering is party of the problem. By WHY did that happen??? Because in 2010, as I said, we didn't vote and GAVE them the ABILITY to do the gerrymandering. That is the REALITY.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. The reality is we didn't give them something to vote for in 2010
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:41 PM
Feb 2015

Democrats ran away from Obama and what they had accomplished in those two years.

Why would voters excited to vote in 2008 vote for "Oh my God I'm so sorry we did what we said we would do!!! We'll go back to the old way!! Please don't be mad that we did what you wanted!!"?

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
11. gerrymandering will always be an issue
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Feb 2015

Our base is heavily consolidated in city cores, and is inherently gerrymandered.

Correct districting will create compact districts without these bizarre offshoots and shapes. This will always hurt us as the city cores that vote 80%+ democratic will continue to give us districts where a lot of votes over 50% will be 'wasted'.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
5. So, can anyone explain
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:02 PM
Feb 2015

Why this is happening in the face of the "internal reporting" that has indicated Democrats have lost their way and they say they want to fix that?

What is wrong with Sestak and why is leadership interfering? "Fear" he won't "kow-tow" and because they "fear" he's a loose cannon? Isn't that good for the people? Isn't he the kind of Democrat the people want....in a "Better Dem"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10746603

Is the "Party Establishment" talking out of both sides of their mouth?
What am I missing?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. Stop blaming the wrong people.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:38 PM
Feb 2015
Part of the reason we lost so big in 2010 and 2012 is because of sheer laziness and apathy on the part of so many Dems and, yes, too many "progressives." If they are not being titillated is some way, which happens more often in the Presidential years, they won't get their asses off the couch to go vote and that is just the plain and honest indisputable truth.

No, this is a giant pile of bullshit you constructed to make yourself feel superior.

In 2008 and 2012, Democrats won by running campaigns about changing the status quo.

In 2010 and 2014, Democrats were absolutely terrified that they had run against the status quo, and desperately tried to distance themselves from their own accomplishments.

Why would someone who wants to change the status quo show up in 2010 or 2014? Both parties were promising to go back to the status quo.

The Democratic party's problem is the leadership. It's full of older baby boomers who are not interested in changing anything. That keeps younger GenX and older Millennials at home on election day - they have no one on the ballot to vote for.
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
9. If we can't control the voting machines, we can't control the outcome.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:45 PM
Feb 2015
Election For Sale To The Highest Bidder


 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. At best, only about half the electorate turns out, even in Presidential elections. Maybe we could ..
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:28 AM
Feb 2015

... do something to appeal to them? We only need a couple percent of them to tip most elections in our favor. Here's a few issues that might just motivate some of them to the polls.

Living Wage

Medicare for All

Enrich and Expand Social Security

Legalize Recreational Pot


The party of no policy (2014) or worse, Republican-lite, is destined to lose.

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