2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's okay for Romney to destroy govt records but not for Hillary to use email?
It's okay for Romney to destroy govt records but not for Hillary to use email?Just before Mitt Romney left the Massachusetts governors office and first ran for president, 11 of his top aides purchased their state-issued computer hard drives, and the Romney administrations e-mails were all wiped from a server, according to interviews and records obtained by the Globe.
Romney administration officials had the remaining computers in the governors office replaced just before Governor Deval Patricks staff showed up to take power in January 2007, according to Mark Reilly, Patricks chief legal counsel.
As a result, Patricks office, which has been bombarded with inquiries for records from the Romney era, has no electronic record of any Romney administration e-mails, Reilly said.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)their documents and not allow them to 'purchase their state-issued hard drives' (or computers).
Every Congressperson and their staff, every governor, etc.
NONE of them should be destroying any document they ever created that relates to any work they did while in office.
(Edit: or doing work from personal accounts or machines unless they intend to also turn over those machines each time their term of office expires or is renewed.)
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I thought that strengthened the question you pose.
Maybe it needs more & right that it should.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The problem is that Congress is not covered by any such laws now, and will no doubt fight any attempt to cover themselves tooth and nail. That's the problem with a body that writes the laws for itself as well as everyone else. It would probably take a major referendum campaign in each state to start with, to cover state officials, and then a national campaign once enough states were onboard.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)bestowed upon themselves and long forgotten what the place in government is.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Maybe they scrubbed that part from the daily MSM howling also.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The Hillary haters around here show no shame in doing the rights dirty work for them.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Name even one poster who has actually said it's all right for Romney to do so?
Apart from 'Name Removed'. I bet he's the kind of guy who would say that.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Good
karynnj
(59,504 posts)and many of us DID say that was wrong. Rather the double standard may go the other way - accepting in a Democrat, what they reject in a Republican.
It would be great if the result of it was a decision to relook at guidelines and laws and change them to lead to government records being considered Government records and reasonable laws on retaining documents be enforced. That this NEVER has been a result, one could wonder if there is more commonality between legislators/administrators in protecting themselves than a commitment to allowing oversight.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)our party shouldn't use him as a standard of behavior.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Bet if we took a look there'd be a long & growing list of such hypocrits.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)But why are you willing to give him a free pass for his actions in concealing his records as governor. He was also a presidential candidate and that kind of logic can only help Hilary's opposition. Have you considered that?
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)in a just world Romney would already be serving a long-term prison sentence
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)There was a lot of noise about this after he did it, and nobody was condoning it.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I've asked about Romney destroying hard drives several times. The strategy from my RW friends just tends to be ignore it.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)They are low intelligence bots of the Right.
Just like the KKKristisn fundies.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I am wondering that myself. I guess if you are against Hilary you are for republicans
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)It's OK if you are republican
It's OK if you are Romney
same thing
Lawrence O'Donnell did the right thing last night jumping on whatshername, because we hold ourselves to a standard, doesnt have to be a higher standard as GOP holds themselves to no standard.
Hillary fucked up by not adopting the new rules in her dept, it seems.
Admit it, apologize, say it wont happen again, and move on.
840high
(17,196 posts)wrongs make a right?
badgolfer
(244 posts)I find it interesting that no one in the MSM has said anything about what Condi Rice used for her emails.
Why is she never mentioned? Colin Powell has been mentioned and others.
EuroStyleSocialist
(45 posts)I thought it was disgusting when Romney did it (his was even worse for destroying records). I think Palin did this shit, too (using her personal e-mail instead of government one for official business). I think we should call them all on it. Including Hillary. But I'm not ready to say that this is disqualifying, given that there's a lot of similar stuff going on at all levels. I say put firm rules in place and hold them all to it. (That said, I can imagine at least some cases where Secretary of State and President correspondence needs to especially secure.)
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Igel
(35,320 posts)or even "in accordance with publicly stated policy/not in accord with publicly stated policy."
They can be three radically different things, and that leads to three radically different ways of evaluating Romney and Clinton's behavior.
I'm unaware of anybody saying what Romney did was illegal (years ago, when laws were different, and before Obama was elected and Clinton appointed). The legality itself seems to be some of the debate concerning Clinton.
Then there's what Obama said about transparency and such. That's executive policy, and what his policies were and what Romney's policies were probably differed a bit. And to some extent each should be held separately to what he said, and not some unofficial policy imposed by outsiders years after the fact.
Then there's "right" versus "wrong," and that's the hardest nut to crack, since every group's predisposed to view what the other side does as inherently wrong and to find justifications for what members of their own group does. If Romney and Clinton did precisely the same thing, there'd still be those saying Romney was wrong and Clinton right. Or those saying Clinton was wrong and Romney was right (which is exactly one poster's views, upthread). The problem is in defining "right" and "wrong"--and only then getting around excuses to apply the definitions evenhandedly.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)No one ever made him account for those records. Cheney never even faced a serious congressional inquiry.