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LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:52 PM Mar 2015

It's okay for Romney to destroy govt records but not for Hillary to use email?

It's okay for Romney to destroy govt records but not for Hillary to use email?


Just before Mitt Romney left the Massachusetts governor’s office and first ran for president, 11 of his top aides purchased their state-issued computer hard drives, and the Romney administration’s e-mails were all wiped from a server, according to interviews and records obtained by the Globe.

Romney administration officials had the remaining computers in the governor’s office replaced just before Governor Deval Patrick’s staff showed up to take power in January 2007, according to Mark Reilly, Patrick’s chief legal counsel.

As a result, Patrick’s office, which has been bombarded with inquiries for records from the Romney era, has no electronic record of any Romney administration e-mails, Reilly said.
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It's okay for Romney to destroy govt records but not for Hillary to use email? (Original Post) LiberalFighter Mar 2015 OP
No, it's not. We need a massive update of laws to require that every high ranking official saves Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #1
Isn't that what Obama implemented wheh Kerry took over SState? misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #2
It needs to be broader, not just apply to State. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #6
Agree. Congress seems to be taking more liberties with their elite status they have.. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #8
Not a schreech about Romny on MSM or anywhere. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #3
Double standard. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #4
Double standard by whom? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #7
LOL, "name removed" got removed? I didn't know that. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #9
Like you, I don't recall anyone ever saying it was ok for Romney to do that karynnj Mar 2015 #25
he's a crook Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #5
Yes a crook, like Jeb from the Bush Crime Family is one also. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #11
Of course he's a crook pennylane100 Mar 2015 #16
who's giving him a pass? Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #18
Who the hell gave Romney a free pass?... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #19
IOKIYAR Atman Mar 2015 #10
Not surprised. THAT is how they are trained to react. They answer for none of their own , just Dems. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #12
Who is saying that this was OK for Romney to do? arcane1 Mar 2015 #13
Right? awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #20
IOKIYR NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #14
So you think two 840high Mar 2015 #15
Condi Rice badgolfer Mar 2015 #17
I think these kinds of subterfuge are always wrong EuroStyleSocialist Mar 2015 #21
IOKIYAR blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #22
Don't confuse "right/wrong" with "legal/illegal" Igel Mar 2015 #23
Dick Cheney destroyed thousands of Government records and files..... UCmeNdc Mar 2015 #24

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. No, it's not. We need a massive update of laws to require that every high ranking official saves
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:55 PM
Mar 2015

their documents and not allow them to 'purchase their state-issued hard drives' (or computers).

Every Congressperson and their staff, every governor, etc.


NONE of them should be destroying any document they ever created that relates to any work they did while in office.

(Edit: or doing work from personal accounts or machines unless they intend to also turn over those machines each time their term of office expires or is renewed.)

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
2. Isn't that what Obama implemented wheh Kerry took over SState?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:58 PM
Mar 2015

I thought that strengthened the question you pose.
Maybe it needs more & right that it should.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. It needs to be broader, not just apply to State.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:00 PM
Mar 2015

The problem is that Congress is not covered by any such laws now, and will no doubt fight any attempt to cover themselves tooth and nail. That's the problem with a body that writes the laws for itself as well as everyone else. It would probably take a major referendum campaign in each state to start with, to cover state officials, and then a national campaign once enough states were onboard.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
8. Agree. Congress seems to be taking more liberties with their elite status they have..
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:06 PM
Mar 2015

bestowed upon themselves and long forgotten what the place in government is.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. Double standard by whom?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:01 PM
Mar 2015

Name even one poster who has actually said it's all right for Romney to do so?

Apart from 'Name Removed'. I bet he's the kind of guy who would say that.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
25. Like you, I don't recall anyone ever saying it was ok for Romney to do that
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

and many of us DID say that was wrong. Rather the double standard may go the other way - accepting in a Democrat, what they reject in a Republican.

It would be great if the result of it was a decision to relook at guidelines and laws and change them to lead to government records being considered Government records and reasonable laws on retaining documents be enforced. That this NEVER has been a result, one could wonder if there is more commonality between legislators/administrators in protecting themselves than a commitment to allowing oversight.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
11. Yes a crook, like Jeb from the Bush Crime Family is one also.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:08 PM
Mar 2015

Bet if we took a look there'd be a long & growing list of such hypocrits.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
16. Of course he's a crook
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:33 PM
Mar 2015

But why are you willing to give him a free pass for his actions in concealing his records as governor. He was also a presidential candidate and that kind of logic can only help Hilary's opposition. Have you considered that?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
19. Who the hell gave Romney a free pass?...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:49 PM
Mar 2015

There was a lot of noise about this after he did it, and nobody was condoning it.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
10. IOKIYAR
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:08 PM
Mar 2015

I've asked about Romney destroying hard drives several times. The strategy from my RW friends just tends to be ignore it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
12. Not surprised. THAT is how they are trained to react. They answer for none of their own , just Dems.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

They are low intelligence bots of the Right.
Just like the KKKristisn fundies.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
14. IOKIYR
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:13 PM
Mar 2015

It's OK if you are republican

It's OK if you are Romney


same thing


Lawrence O'Donnell did the right thing last night jumping on whatshername, because we hold ourselves to a standard, doesnt have to be a higher standard as GOP holds themselves to no standard.

Hillary fucked up by not adopting the new rules in her dept, it seems.

Admit it, apologize, say it wont happen again, and move on.

badgolfer

(244 posts)
17. Condi Rice
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 03:40 PM
Mar 2015

I find it interesting that no one in the MSM has said anything about what Condi Rice used for her emails.

Why is she never mentioned? Colin Powell has been mentioned and others.

21. I think these kinds of subterfuge are always wrong
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:36 PM
Mar 2015

I thought it was disgusting when Romney did it (his was even worse for destroying records). I think Palin did this shit, too (using her personal e-mail instead of government one for official business). I think we should call them all on it. Including Hillary. But I'm not ready to say that this is disqualifying, given that there's a lot of similar stuff going on at all levels. I say put firm rules in place and hold them all to it. (That said, I can imagine at least some cases where Secretary of State and President correspondence needs to especially secure.)

Igel

(35,320 posts)
23. Don't confuse "right/wrong" with "legal/illegal"
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:22 PM
Mar 2015

or even "in accordance with publicly stated policy/not in accord with publicly stated policy."

They can be three radically different things, and that leads to three radically different ways of evaluating Romney and Clinton's behavior.

I'm unaware of anybody saying what Romney did was illegal (years ago, when laws were different, and before Obama was elected and Clinton appointed). The legality itself seems to be some of the debate concerning Clinton.

Then there's what Obama said about transparency and such. That's executive policy, and what his policies were and what Romney's policies were probably differed a bit. And to some extent each should be held separately to what he said, and not some unofficial policy imposed by outsiders years after the fact.

Then there's "right" versus "wrong," and that's the hardest nut to crack, since every group's predisposed to view what the other side does as inherently wrong and to find justifications for what members of their own group does. If Romney and Clinton did precisely the same thing, there'd still be those saying Romney was wrong and Clinton right. Or those saying Clinton was wrong and Romney was right (which is exactly one poster's views, upthread). The problem is in defining "right" and "wrong"--and only then getting around excuses to apply the definitions evenhandedly.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
24. Dick Cheney destroyed thousands of Government records and files.....
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 06:47 AM
Mar 2015

No one ever made him account for those records. Cheney never even faced a serious congressional inquiry.

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