.... act, or a mutinous act I don't know which one applies but that letter and bringing in Bibi
were very acts by a group who see their #1 job as thwarting President Obama anytime and
anywhere they get the chance.

"If Republican senators want to make the point that an Iran deal requires a treaty, they should
make that case to the American people, not to the Iranians. Congress simply has no business
conducting foreign policy with a foreign government, especially an adversarial one."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026353858

Succeed being the operative word. Opposite to Fail.

and the picture completes itself.
They invited Bibi into sway his election then sent The Letter to encourage the failure of the delicate Iranian foreign relations talks.

Mutiny, is a milder word than I would use.

"Operative word... "
That is correct, good point!

in some capacity? - Is he retired? - is he a member of any Reserve? -- If he is, he needs to be put on notice and relieved of any military position he holds. And take Lindsey with him...


It is about time our Military commanders speak up and our vets for that matter - in what world do we put our men and women in harms way to score political points..or the AMERICAN people...SPEAK UP _ SPEAK OUT _ NO WAR!

independent ready reserve.

Basically, that is a passive reserve. No drills, no meetings, you hardly even know you in it. It's in the fine print of your commission. Basically, after your 4 years of active duty time is up and you leave the army, they reserve the right to call you back to active duty for an additional 4 years.

I had a run-in with the IRR, which basically started the whole PTSD fiasco I've been dealing with for 10+ years (but that is another very long story, probably worthy of its own thread).

Mutineers by the way are notoriously known to commit treasonous acts. What this is now seems to stop short of treason. What becomes of what it is may not.

47 senators on the same page at the same time pens in hand ,signatures applied is not just a mistake.
The Strom coming is far far worse than that snow storm over Washington DC that maverick mutinous McCain claims they
all were in a hurry to run away from at the time of the signing. Short on time.

how badly he has fucked up. Or is the money from the MIC making him feel all better?

It's the rest of us who don't recognize how brilliant they are -- that's why we think they are wrong.

I know -- I live across the road from a Tea Bagger. Talking with him is like talking to a brick wall. Only the brick wall is smarter.

and mouthpieces have not approved Maj. Gen. Eaton because he is the wrong kind of military man. Better to ask the "Man who killed Osama" or Ollie North.

ugh

Only thing it makes him, unlike so many of his Republican colleagues, is not a chickenhawk.

His actions as a senator make him a traitor. And that's what I'm going to call the asshole. Ollie North was a veteran too and he's still traitorous scum.

He was an Infantry Platoon Leader in 2007 if I recall correctly. I did the same job, but in 2004.

Given his stance and politics, I fail to believe that this guy really got intimate with combat on the same level that many other combat veterans do. I doubt he's stuffed a body bag with the body of a person that he shot or that he dealt with losing Soldiers under his command and their grieving families. Those sorts of images shock the urge to fight in a war right out of - quick.

I fail to accept that a fellow combat veteran who really experienced combat close and personally could be so callous as to want to push us towards yet another war in the Mideast.

--- edit to add---

Not all veterans are created equal. Some get more direct exposure to combat than others. it's one thing to drop a bomb from an airplane 30,000+ feet in the air and kill people that way and it's another thing to kill someone with your rifle and to see them drop right in front of you. Likewise, it adds a whole level of "reality" to the experience when you have to recover the body of the person you killed. You get to see right up close and personally what your weapon did to their body. You get to look at their gaping mouths and open blank eyes and you get to feel that pit in your soul that tells you that what you did was wrong no matter how much you try to justify why you shot that person as you stuff their meat into what is basically a black garbage bag.

Some veterans just sit on a base in an airconditioned office and have mortar rounds land a few hundred yards from them and that's the closest they get to combat.

..for making your way to DU.

Kudos to you & speaking the truth about Mr Cotton.
Your input here is valuable.
Peace

Can we bring that back again?

so why not.

Surely a freshman needs to pass this shit to someone higher up? Look higher up for the same idiots in charge.

(a republican) won't sign your letter. (republican Bob Corker from Tennessee)

Somewhere on DU yesterday was a post about who bought Mr Cotton.
They did belong to the Hard Right tho I don't recall who the Post stated, Adelson maybe & ??
Maybe someone else can locate this info

He and the other 46 in effect, breached the chain of command! They did attempt to sabotage the President and the State Department.

Thank you sir. And it has been said the "senate is the greatest deliberative body in the world". Thanks for the comments. Where were the "wise ones"? Someone said this document was presented to the signing senators as they were headed out for a weekend or something like. Horses headed for the barn. This letter is a disaster, ala, the Air Florida disaster. Turn around, go back, don't sign it until . . . . They were mislead by a senator with little experience. But, had a million dollars from an Israelie PAC.

Turtleman signed it, as did the rest of the highest levels of leadership. Former did the right thing, but it seems to me that this letter had to have had the blessings of the caucus to have gotten that many signatures. Otherwise, a very new freshman senator wouldn't have had that much buy in on such a major breach of Senate behavior. Adelson and company may have sponsored Cotton but the influence they exerted was most likely felt by his seniors.

Bush's Saudi pals invented a reason for war.
This is no different.
Cotton is the new GW.

There should be consequences.

It may take awhile until the public is privy to any decisions if any at all.
Dont know how quickly they move on such subjects.

He is a civilian. The military has no authority over him.

Further, a reservist, retiree or guard cannot be activated solely for the purpose of investigation or punishment.

I am in no way defending what those creatures did, but the military cannot be given that authority over prior active duty service members.

..following discharge one can still be called back for, I think 5 years, so Cotton would still need to keep his military reputation spotless during that time.
The person debating me on this point yesterday was also ex military & quite adamant.
Regardless, as an ex military Afghan Veteran, the person I spoke with was quite pissed about Cotton's disloyalty to his Country not to mention the Million dollar payoff he received prior.
I am not arguing here, am just going by what my friend stated with convincing certainty.
Perhaps he was referring to some technical code of conduct.

It's a binary: Discharged: No longer subject to military authority. Released from active duty: Reserve status of some type and subject (however unlikely) to recall to active duty.

Have to see Cotton's 214 to be sure. It may be a binary, but how it's determined can be complicated.

Again, it's a mute point and a good point. Do we want the military arresting legislators; that's a coup.

If anyone in that bunch should have known better and needs his ass kicked, it's McCain. Third generation navy, academy grad, 22 years active service, retiree. However, as many have allowed, he's probably flying with the flaps down now. Snow storm? -- please.

..to any account in the end.
It will remain just one more issue to have total disgust for the GOP

For a gang that bellows about personal responsibility .... oh you know

While serving in Iraq and Afghanistan is admirable, that doesn't excuse Cotton for sabotage of the president's negotiations with Iran. Benedict Arnold was a general in the Revolution, but arrogance led to his downfall, too.

Zacktly!

weaken this government and make themselves seem more important than they are. Yep, Cotton is a totally typical Repug and that's sad. The party of Lincoln has tumbled badly and is a disgusting mockery of an American political party when all they care about is enriching the 1% and themselves and hurting this government (not giving a damn about the people it hurts) because it's not giving them 100% of what they want quickly enough. Rabid dogs is too kind of a description for these perverse and hateful schemers and charlatans.