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joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:45 AM Mar 2015

Ted Cruz will be the Republican nominee.

He will slaughter any Republican candidate because of his "great debate skills." This will not, of course, win him the Presidency, but he will win the nomination because no one comes close to his level of rhetorical flourish.

Bookmark this. The dude was #1 in the country as far as a debater. The media has nothing else but "debates" to measure a candidacy.

And, importantly, Ted Cruz would allow the last dying breath of the far right to get their ideology heard. Religious indoctrination is literally his platform. They will vote for him in droves. He will win the nomination with ease.

Any contenders?

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Ted Cruz will be the Republican nominee. (Original Post) joshcryer Mar 2015 OP
He bashes NSA, bashes Common Core. joshcryer Mar 2015 #1
Invokes FDR and Regan in his "announcement" speech. joshcryer Mar 2015 #2
You may be right..... trusty elf Mar 2015 #3
Spewed water at that image. Missed the computer. LOL. kairos12 Mar 2015 #10
Great debate skills alone don't earn a nomination. Paladin Mar 2015 #4
Disagree. Cruz knows the debate circus. joshcryer Mar 2015 #5
"Cruz is at the bottom of the Republican popularity heap" MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #15
I have yet to see any evidence of this alleged smartness, aside from his own branding arcane1 Mar 2015 #17
God knows he didn't need any smarts to advance in Texas politics. Paladin Mar 2015 #21
Perry MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #23
The path was not open to him Yupster Mar 2015 #45
Once Dewhurst's fumblings made Wendy Davis an overnight political star, Paladin Mar 2015 #46
Sadly MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #22
The news reports that Cruz has signed up for Obamacare coverage..... Paladin Mar 2015 #24
Given that he is that smart, I'm leaning toward he doesn't believe a word of his own bullshit. Volaris Mar 2015 #36
It does take more than good debating skills. Cruz has too narrow a base. yellowcanine Mar 2015 #6
I'll take that bet sharp_stick Mar 2015 #7
Bold prediction, but no way CanonRay Mar 2015 #8
I very much doubt that we would be so lucky as to have Cruz become the nominee. Nitram Mar 2015 #9
In Bizarro World, maybe. Arkana Mar 2015 #11
Wrong n2doc Mar 2015 #12
I think if that were the case, Gingrich would've been the 2012 nominee. phleshdef Mar 2015 #13
Gingrich could have had it. joshcryer Mar 2015 #19
Very likely correctand not because of debate skills .... unfortunately IL17Progressive Mar 2015 #14
Even people as stupid as conservatives will tire of him, sooner rather than later. arcane1 Mar 2015 #18
Even republicans will get sick of his face, and his "inherit the world's wealth" fantasy. arcane1 Mar 2015 #16
Not likely, but we can hope. DavidDvorkin Mar 2015 #20
Courtroom or appellate court skills do not necessarily translate thevoiceofreason Mar 2015 #25
My guess is that he is currently being "taken out" by the GOP establishment from behind the scenes. tridim Mar 2015 #26
I think it's a money grab. riqster Mar 2015 #27
I disagree themonster Mar 2015 #28
I can't stand to listen to him speak. His voice is annoying. bigwillq Mar 2015 #29
It depends on who he has to split votes with. I see him splitting votes with Huckabee, Santorum craigmatic Mar 2015 #30
Who is he going to debate? Those candidate dog and pony shows are debates in name only. chelsea0011 Mar 2015 #31
SinceI realize we are all guessing, I shan't bash your prognostication Sheepshank Mar 2015 #32
Santorum won 11 states last time. Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #33
Cruz is way, way more intelligent though Reter Mar 2015 #34
and you think that intelligence is what the (R) primary voters want? Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #35
There were several a couple weeks back proclaiming it would be Walker. Myrina Mar 2015 #37
I Think It's Gonna Be Jeb Bush, But I Hope It's Ted Cruz.. Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #38
No, he won't. realFedUp Mar 2015 #39
Cruz has zero chance IMHO Yorktown Mar 2015 #40
Ted Cruz seems to have lots of conservative Tresalisa Mar 2015 #41
Not a snowballs' chance in hell. Darb Mar 2015 #42
His supporters are evangelicals Mz Pip Mar 2015 #43
Cruz doesn't stand a chance davidpdx Mar 2015 #44

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
1. He bashes NSA, bashes Common Core.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:01 AM
Mar 2015


Calls for quality education. He's picking on the very particular issues that the young vote espouses.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
2. Invokes FDR and Regan in his "announcement" speech.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:12 AM
Mar 2015

HAHAHA. How many progressives will believe his nonsense? Please. Fuck. Please.

Note: I did not post this post and the video above with the knowledge the video above was when he announced. I literally picked a random Cruz video. He announced in this video and I didn't realize.

Fuck Ted Cruz and his "grassroots army."

trusty elf

(7,402 posts)
3. You may be right.....
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:34 AM
Mar 2015

but it still seems too early to tell. I don't look forward to seeing pictures of his gag-inducing face all over the place.

Does reading "Green Eggs and Ham" count as rhetorical flourish?

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Paladin

(28,276 posts)
4. Great debate skills alone don't earn a nomination.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:30 AM
Mar 2015

Cruz has spent his years in D.C. pissing off as many power brokers as possible, and it's fixing to blow back on him. First hint of things to come: the immediate announcement by John Cornyn, Cruz's fellow Republican Senator from Texas, that Cornyn will not be supporting Cruz for President. Cruz is at the bottom of the Republican popularity heap for a reason---he went out of his way to earn it.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
5. Disagree. Cruz knows the debate circus.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 08:38 AM
Mar 2015

The other candidates don't know it. Cruz will throw out whatever rhetoric will make him win. He knows the game.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
15. "Cruz is at the bottom of the Republican popularity heap"
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:11 PM
Mar 2015

That's almost an endorsement. LOL.

He's a very smart guy, but his ideas are evil.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
17. I have yet to see any evidence of this alleged smartness, aside from his own branding
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:16 PM
Mar 2015

Gingrich used to be sold to us as this brilliant ideas guy, but that all turned out to be empty PR too.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
21. God knows he didn't need any smarts to advance in Texas politics.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 07:10 PM
Mar 2015

If you've got a pulse and you're a Republican, the path is open to you, there. (Two words: Rick Perry.) I'm with you---whatever alleged intellect Cruz possesses has been safely masked by his extremist ideology, so far.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
45. The path was not open to him
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:08 AM
Mar 2015

He ran for the senate seat that the sitting Lieutenant Governor already declared for and the entire state party was lined up with Dewhurst, who was quite conservative himself.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
46. Once Dewhurst's fumblings made Wendy Davis an overnight political star,
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 10:21 AM
Mar 2015

his fate was sealed. Whatever remaining popularity Dewhurst had with the state party leadership didn't make any difference.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
22. Sadly
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:54 AM
Mar 2015

He was at the top of his class at Harvard law, Alan Derschowitz says he was the smartest student he ever had at Harvard law, and he was the top-ranked debater in the country in college. I believe he also had near perfect SATs and LSATs.

He also did well as a lawyer, multiple times, arguing before the US Supreme Court.

So "smarts" is not the problem.

Evil is the problem.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
24. The news reports that Cruz has signed up for Obamacare coverage.....
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 10:16 AM
Mar 2015

....now that his wife's cushy Goldman Sachs insurance has gone bye-bye. He's obviously making this move to be able to whine and complain about every aspect of his new coverage. That law school intellect isn't translating into anything approaching political finesse, as yet; his cringe-worthy speeches assure that his debating skills will stay camouflaged for a while, as well. (And I wouldn't trust Alan Derschowitz, even if he swore the sun were going down in the west this evening.)

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
6. It does take more than good debating skills. Cruz has too narrow a base.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:38 AM
Mar 2015

Any Republican to the left of Jerry Falwell will flee from him.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
7. I'll take that bet
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:02 AM
Mar 2015

he's overrated, over hyped and totally narcissistic. Even his own colleagues outside of the teabag caucus can't stand the prick.

Just watching him speak to the International Association of Firefighters is priceless. He's totally baffled that they aren't laughing and cheering at his incredible brilliance.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-11/ted-cruz-without-applause-is-the-most-gripping-video-you-ll-see-all-day

He won't win a single State.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
8. Bold prediction, but no way
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:05 AM
Mar 2015

He leave a trail of stupid soundbites for the media idiots to feast on. He'll hang on for the money and notoriety, as he has an ego the size of Canada, but he can't win it.

Nitram

(22,892 posts)
9. I very much doubt that we would be so lucky as to have Cruz become the nominee.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:06 AM
Mar 2015

The media does not by any means judge candidates solely in terms of their debate skills. That's an absurd suggestion. How about past statements, past bills supported or opposed, personal scandals, and negative advertizing (i.e. Swift Boat)?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
13. I think if that were the case, Gingrich would've been the 2012 nominee.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 02:17 PM
Mar 2015

Don't consider that a compliment to Gingrich, I just thought he was the better debater out of that whole circus.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
19. Gingrich could have had it.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:09 PM
Mar 2015

If you look at the polling in 2012 he had a huge media invented surge. And it was purely due to debate performance.

14. Very likely correctand not because of debate skills .... unfortunately
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:07 PM
Mar 2015

Cruz has the oratory & presentation skills, inviting tones and manners of the revival show preacher or a carney barker or smooth talking snake oil sales men.

Numerous people (possibly a majority of Citizens) will be drawn to the mesmerizing manner much as music draws one in. That majority never fully absorb the words or connect the words as thoughts and actions but picking out some partial melodies or stanza or rhythms that entrance them.

All the analysis of cause - effects, good or bad, dominionist or atheist will be to no available. Those 'intellectual' discussions will not be heard as the tune is what mesmerizes.

Current media of all forms (TV, paper, internet) will spread the melodies far and wide -- because it is news to fill the 24/7 frame! Analysis, cause & affect, discussion, identifying consequences are NOT news.

Just as a beer hall brawler 8 decades ago was able to move millions to act on the tune he sings ...

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
16. Even republicans will get sick of his face, and his "inherit the world's wealth" fantasy.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:13 PM
Mar 2015

Where does he get this "#1 debater" status?

thevoiceofreason

(3,440 posts)
25. Courtroom or appellate court skills do not necessarily translate
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:01 AM
Mar 2015

To political ability. The "debates" by candidates are so far removed from actual debating styles, or courtroom arguments, there is only a very weak correlation to political debates. If he had been a trial lawyer, folks who really have to think on their feet, then that would help him.

Appellate arguments, especially at the Supreme Court level, are highly structured and quite limited. In other words, you have rehearsed the argument (and the potential questions) a million times - few surprises. On a big stage with 10 other candidates, each sniping at you, or in an interview when hit with a question out of the blue, it is a far different scene.

In all, Cruz is smart, but he has not shown he is nimble. Thus, I respectfully disagree with the premise of the post.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
26. My guess is that he is currently being "taken out" by the GOP establishment from behind the scenes.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:05 AM
Mar 2015

And IMO he will be gone before the debates begin.

themonster

(137 posts)
28. I disagree
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:35 AM
Mar 2015

I don't think he will win the nomination. Although, I wish he would because he would be the easiest to defeat. I think that it will come down to Walker and Bush with Bush winning the nom. The Bush family have a lot of connections and a lot of money plus they play dirty. I just hope this country isn't stupid enough to put another Bush in the White House. I have no doubt that if Bush is President there will be another needless war. Maybe with Iran this time. Another big tax cut would be given to the rich to reward the donors who put him there. It would be sickening. Another nightmare.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
29. I can't stand to listen to him speak. His voice is annoying.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:59 AM
Mar 2015

I know that's kind of superficial, especially since my voice isn't all that better (LOL), but I really don't like his voice.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
30. It depends on who he has to split votes with. I see him splitting votes with Huckabee, Santorum
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 12:19 PM
Mar 2015

and probably Perry. On the other side I don't see bush having to split votes with many moderates. It looks like 2012 on the repub side again where the moderate wins by default just because the crazies cancel each other out.

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
31. Who is he going to debate? Those candidate dog and pony shows are debates in name only.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 12:48 PM
Mar 2015

And he can have a laundry list "of "everything I hate Obama's", but some time he will have to explain what he will do. In other words, a vision. It ain't gonna happen.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
32. SinceI realize we are all guessing, I shan't bash your prognostication
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:43 PM
Mar 2015

I actaully think he's tee extreme even for a majority of RW'ers and would make it out of the primaries.

In fact, I think the RW will dismember him and he will suffer long term losses becasuse of this run. The Run for POTUS will make his stand and his intent at religious insertion very clear and to be feared.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
33. Santorum won 11 states last time.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:55 PM
Mar 2015

He had Iowa pretty much stolen from him and everyone knows it. I think he will be a candidate once the SCOTUS decision on marriage equality is behind him/us.

He can use that decision no matter which way it comes out. If they allow equality then he can rally the troops against the establishment which "stole" his nomination in 2012 claiming that this would not have happened if he had been the nominee. If they decide for inequality he will claim that he was on the right side of the argument all the time and claim vindication.

Cruz can't win a debate when others keep agreeing with him. In a debate you are forced to argue opposing viewpoints. The GOP debates will be an echo chamber. You can't assume great debate skills will be a deciding factor.


And as far as crazy goes, lets face it. Santorum is right up there with Cruz.





 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
35. and you think that intelligence is what the (R) primary voters want?
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:56 PM
Mar 2015


If so, I respectfully disagree.


Myrina

(12,296 posts)
37. There were several a couple weeks back proclaiming it would be Walker.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:21 AM
Mar 2015

And still a few floating around saying it'll be Jeb Bush.

So, pardon my cynicism.


I can see Terrible Ted getting the VP nod, though, as an appeasement to the RWNJ voting block.

Corey_Baker08

(2,157 posts)
38. I Think It's Gonna Be Jeb Bush, But I Hope It's Ted Cruz..
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:18 PM
Mar 2015

Jeb Bush as Nominee worries me because Electorally Democrats need Florida to win & Jeb was a two term Governor there and is known statewide. I'm concerned that if he is the Nominee Florida Republicans & Independents will enthusiastically flock to the polls to help elect a former Governor from their State to be President.

For example in 2008 President Obama won the state of Indiana, a first for a Democrat to win that state in over 50 years. Many Political Scientist suggested that the reason Indiana went for Obama was because he was from their neighboring state of Illinois.

My point being that a candidate has a huge advantage in winning the state he or she is from. While Florida has went blue the last two Presidential Elections, both were by a slim margin, especially 2012, so my fear is that if Jeb is the Nominee, Florida's Electoral Votes will go to the Republicans.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
40. Cruz has zero chance IMHO
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:54 AM
Mar 2015

But you should pray I'm wrong.

Because, if Cruz is the Republican nominee, the Democartic nominee will win any day.

Because of all the batshit crazy stuff Cruz is saying to win the Evangelical/Baptist vote.

Tresalisa

(549 posts)
41. Ted Cruz seems to have lots of conservative
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:05 AM
Mar 2015

people I know excited, but I don't know if he has what it takes to get the nomination. From what I've read, he seems quite polarizing and even if some love, love, love him, lots of people just don't like him. I think it'll be Jeb Bush who'll be running, and he'll be defeated by Hillary. Jeb will have the money and the support of the GOP establishment, which is important.

Mz Pip

(27,453 posts)
43. His supporters are evangelicals
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:17 PM
Mar 2015

and that vote will be split. Besides that, he's just not likeable, even within his own party.

I suspect Jeb will get the nomination.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
44. Cruz doesn't stand a chance
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 12:20 AM
Mar 2015

The money and power will all be behind Jeb. The nominees are going to be Clinton and Bush.

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