2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie? In the end I知 going w/ Hillary..for now..
Think she is the only one to prevent a disastrous take over of our govt. by extremist idiots.....
But bless you for driving her to the left... You are an incredible man!!http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/23/bernie-sanders-kickoff-guide/27811735/
djean111
(14,255 posts)the left.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)But in a general election.Bernie will be framed as a Socialist/Marxist old man..and we do live in a country whos citizens listen very closely to Fox Shit!!
RichVRichV
(885 posts)We live in a country where a small subset listens to Fox. And that group is going to vote against Hillary every bit as much as they'll vote against Bernie. If you're counting on their vote for either candidate you will be sorely dissapointed.
And the Republicans call all Democrats socialists. The only way to seperate Bernie as a real socialist is to discuss his positions. Once they do that they have lost. Because, once you break them down, most people agree with his positions regardless of party.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)She can't be driven anywhere but to the bank.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)over Jeb at the W.H..
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)but....
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)this is "duh" territory
But thanks for saying it because some here have other ideas, dont they
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)My own personal choice for nominee has as yet never been the nominee and yet many of them win. Imagine that.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Bernie. I have no faith in a miraculous transformation of Hillary into something that we all know she just isn't. You are right about one thing though, Bernie IS an incredible man.....and he has my full support and my vote.
Paka
(2,760 posts)Rhetoric doesn't cut it for me. Actions are what counts. Bernies actions are consistent and spot on!
rock
(13,218 posts)But I am waiting til the primary debate to decide. I confess I am leaning toward Hillary but we shall see!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)She has been posturing her entire career just to get to this point and once she actually makes it to the Oval Office I do believe her "better angels" will emerge.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)If were wrong. Ill be keeping my big fat mouth shut for a long time..!!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)we want. With the House still in the hands of the Rs we are going to have to do that regardless which one of our candidates win.
MBS
(9,688 posts)I agree that she would genuinely take the job seriously, and would care about her legacy.
And the interests of her legacy may help her heed those better angels.
Right now, I'm so aware of her baggage that any evidence of her "better angels", on the campaign trail, and in the White House, will be for me a relief, and a welcome surprise. But if we can get her to the White House, I agree that she will be better than many folks here predict, and better than I've feared in my more pessimistic/skeptical moods. I still worry about her on environmental issues (Keystone XL, for instance), etc, and, as far as the campaign itself, I worry about the effectiveness of her speaking/debating/political skills.
But one thing for sure: we absolutely CANNOT let the Republicans win, for the sake of SCOTUS, the future of our democracy. Every single one of the Repug candidates is a nightmare, and , really, a danger not just to our country, but to the planet.
So I'm all in for the Democratic nominee in the general election.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Wish in one hand, s#!t in the other and see which one fills up faster. Hillary is NOT going to become something she isn't just because you wish it to be so. Her record speaks for her. I'm sticking with Sanders for that very reason; his record speaks for HIM, and I like what I hear. Nothing in this country will change unless people move outside the box and make it happen. I'm going with the real deal, I'm sticking with Sanders.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think Hillary knows there is still an attitude in this country that a woman might not have the right mentality or skills to be President and that she feels she needs to prove to people she has the cajones to be a strong leader especially in the area of foreign policy and economics. Because of this I believe she may overplay it sometimes beyond what she actually feels inside. Once in the WH she will have the freedom to say and do things she wouldn't have before. I believe even her vote for Iraq war authorization may have been affected by this. If she voted against it that might be seen as a weakness.. being unable to "pull-the-trigger" when a threat arises.
I could be wrong about all this but it's more than just wishful thinking.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)the presumed prevailing political wind. You can go with hope and predictions if that's what you prefer, but for me, I'm sticking with the known quantity...no wishing, hoping, or predicting necessary.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)And if you don't win you cant do much with all those wonderful convictions and principals.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)maybe not....but I'll take my chances with the superior choice.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Always remember that she started political life as a Republican.
It is were she is most comfortable as her actions and patronage of the 1% clearly demonstrate.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He always spoke of trying to unite the country and I assumed that meant being a centrist.
Hillary is different. I think she has an inner liberal that is more liberal than she appears.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)discussions and class to the race.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)I only can dream of a Sanders Presidency..
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)If he does announce his candidacy, Martin O'Malley should also help to keep issues that matter part of the dialogue.
Whatever happens, the US is fortunate to have three such intelligent individuals willing to put themselves out there. GOPers have nothing like them.
Nothing.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)I said in the end I'm going with Hillary Obama in the primary - who would have thought!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Some great photographs, there!
I remember him well when he was a mayor, but I'd forgotten how youthful he looked!
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)As if you cannot or should not voice your own opinion. It's as if they don't have enough anti HRC threads already dotting DU lol