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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:00 PM Jun 2015

Who was Hillary Clinton aiming at? Women and ascendant voters

By CATHLEEN DECKER
June 13, 2015 1:56 PM

Hillary Clinton will never win the presidency on the sheer force of lofty rhetoric, as her announcement speech demonstrated Saturday.

But if she does win the White House, it will be because she accomplished what her speech set out to do: harness the demographic shifts afoot in the country and deepen voters’ understanding of the best-known woman in the world.

Clinton highlighted a laundry list of proposals attractive to ascendant voting groups that formed the political base for her Democratic predecessor Barack Obama and began to show their strength under her husband Bill Clinton. She offered multiple indications that she was prepared to fight for those seeking a foothold, even if that contradicted her simultaneous pledge to usher in a new and more collaborative political future for the country.

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Part of Clinton’s challenge through 2016 will be to navigate Obama’s positives and negatives. The president, at his heights, inspired far more passion in his followers than Clinton does in hers, but he also drew antagonists with a fierceness that Clinton would like to avoid. On Saturday, she attempted to corral Obama’s voters while also acknowledging the shortcomings of his tenure.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-hillary-clinton-analysis-20150613-story.html
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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. Sadly for her, Bernie has already addressed these proposals, well before she did.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015

And frankly better than she did. With more meat, and authenticity.

If everyone who says they think Bernie is the best choice, works and votes FOR Bernie., he will win.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
2. Okay. The OP article from a respected publication...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jun 2015

...is assessing Hillary's political strategy, not Bernie's. Would you care to discuss Hillary? lol

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
18. Snark aside, Bernie's numbers will continue to rise. I believe hers will arc downward after
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jun 2015

a possibly bump for the launch event

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. She's trying to get votes from us, the unwashed masses, by addressing our concerns, but
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jun 2015

she stops short of alienating her money donors. So her strategy is trying to be all things to everyone but keeping the cash flowing. Okay, I'm sure there is a more elegant way of putting this but this is what I heard. Bernie, OTOH, says some of the same things. Actually, he did say it first, but he makes it clear that he's going to make the 1% pay for reforms and I believe that's because he isn't looking for any donations from them. I know you don't want comparisons to Bernie, but I can't describe what I think Hillary is aiming at without making those comparisons.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
6. How is Clinton?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

Sanders will tax them.

Will Clinton? No, she is schmoozing the 1%.

How is she going to help us, the 99%?

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
8. Win back Congress...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jun 2015

...by providing support and political coattails from record turnout among the traditional Democratic coalition.

If we can't get big turnout and make gains in Congress, nothing will happen.

How does Bernie Sanders help a moderate Democrat in a Red State?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
9. Congress will not be in Democratic
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:10 PM
Jun 2015

control for at least another 5 to possibly 10 years.

You think the coat tails will come from Clinton. I think they will better come from Sanders. Given that neo-liberals LOST big in 2014, I am confident that I am more correct in my assessment.

How does Bernie Sanders help a moderate Democrat in a Red State?


What a bizarre question? What do you mean? How does Clinton help a 'moderate Democrat in a Red State'?

The better question is how does Sander help the 90% of us, no matter what our orientation, race, gender, political affiliation, etc., in all states versus Clinton. Easy. Clinton speaks about social justice and the veneer of progressivism yet will continue neo-liberal economic policies and neo-conservative foreign policies that will harm us all. Sanders speaks about social AND economic justice for ALL of us in the 90%.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
11. You didn't answer the question.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jun 2015

It's not bizarre at all. How does having a self-proclaimed socialist as a nominee help a Democratic Congressional candidate in a swing-district in a Red State? Hillary will undoubtedly get strong turnout from women. How does Bernie win this election given the political landscape? You can ignore that landscape, it just makes your last paragraph seem hollow.It's one thing to speak, it's another to do! The Republicans are very real and they will fight bitterly.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
16. I actually don't ignore
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jun 2015

the reality that 'liberal' and 'progressive' positions WON in 2014. Third Way centrist positions did not.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/06/1342721/-The-Real-Story-of-the-2014-Election-Who-Lost

How does Clinton, an avowed centrist and Third Wayer, win?

The GOP through gerrymandering have control over the house. Dems lost the senate due to the reasons presented in the linked to article.

If given the choice, Democrats and Independents and Greens are going to choose a liberal progressive Democratic candidate over Republican lite which is definitely what HRC is.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
7. Bernie is going to ask we the people to set up town hall debates and vote to seat many new
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:17 PM
Jun 2015

lawmakers; those who support the People and not the Elite/Royalist. On Third of the seats of Congress will be on the Nov 2016 ballot. Candidates that support the People will be on the down tickets.

brooklynite

(94,601 posts)
15. Really...who will those candidates be?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

I've met virtually all of our Senate candidates, and with the exception of Russ Feingold, I don't think they meet your exacting specifications/

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
10. Anyone with brains,
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jun 2015

and Hillary does possess a good one, knows the demographics are shifting and you'd better shift with them. The pukes know they are shifting, but don't care- they depend on their propaganda machine (MSM), black box voting, and gerrymandering to push them over.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
12. Turnout, turnout, turnout.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jun 2015

And perhaps, let me posit this idea: it takes a machine to fight a machine

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