Why? He wants people to finally start asking the right question.

He wants them to think for themselves and have all the information to make a good choice.

They tried to use the word cranky to describe him, but it is not going to work.
People have had enough.

And the people know he's not because they're not laughing at him, they are agreeing with him and cheering him on!

FEEL THE BERN!!!

That he was so old. She said no. He's adorable. They love him in social media.

22 years old. They are for Bernie!!

FEEL THE BERN!!! can't we get a smilie for that?

Because, even if we DIDN'T have a good reason, that's a thing that should exist anyway, right?=)

Show me said reference.

#FeelTheBern!!

Feel better, now?

Is that the reason you have picture of a hose coming out of your pants and onto someone's face?

is not as nasty and vulgar as you.

He's debating issues and we're debating porn. Think about that.

Rule 34
If it exists, there is porn of it.

n/t

I'm not going to ask how you know about the, er, other thing(God I wish we had a "naughty naughty" smilie).

I want Hillary for President, and will support her in every way I can. But, that doesnt mean that I don't appreciate what Bernie has contributed to this country and to our cause. He is a wonderful man, and I wish him success in everything except beating Hill.

I do hope that people on this board, who are truly conflicted, will remember that we need both of them, and after watching the clown car fill up, we should be thrilled to have them both repesenting us. Class acts, both of them Go Hill, and Bernie!

I know that Duers will make them proud and follow their example.

I appreciate your post. I must be a supporter by default-- he has been my favorite politician for years. His candidacy really excites me.

I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination though.

He makes a lot of sense - unlike a number of other politicians I could name.

Bernie not only likes the kids on the lawn but will try to find a way to get a one for everyone to enjoy together.

to be angry. He's angry on OUR BEHALF. They just don't get it, do they? With all their 'experts hired to run these campaigns, all or so out of touch with actual people, they just keep screwing up, assuming that what goes on in their rarified atmosphere, is all that goes on in the world.

See the two founders of the Third Way eg, when they came out from their hiding places and wrote an OP Ed in the WSJ attacking Elizabeth Warren, assuming the world would agree with them, but they were slammed so hard they will no longer even talk about that article.

Let them out of touch, because they are making so many wrong moves when they go after Warren and Bernie which is good for all of us. Meantime Bernie's poll numbers continue to climb while Hillary's are declining. No one listens the these DC insiders anymore.

The worst thing they can say about him is 'socialist' and now 'extreme'. Well we all can see that his ideas are mainstream, not extreme in the least. They are only extreme when compared to corporatists' ideas.

And now we are seeing that Americans are not as afraid of the word 'socialist' as people think they are, even after its use as a slur against Obama.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026914392

See also:
Republicans for Bernie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251415620

He can definitely win the general. And he should. How any one who calls themselves a Dem isn't supporting him is beyond me.

Perfect! Love it!

Her derisive manner, her sneering, calling Sanders extreme, she is out of touch with the movement of the party. I do not like the way conservative Democrats look down their noses at the left; the left whose votes they think they own. I'm to the left of Sanders and I felt like she was sneering at me personally.

nt

Makes you wonder why they're in this party.

Whined about, 'socialism'. That's Republican shit.

Hillary better tell her surrogates to attack Bernie from the right at HER OWN peril, because every time HER surrogates do this, there will be a backlash. The pendulum is finally swinging back to the left.

The idea that policies that support the people of this country are too "extreme" tells me all I need to know. Guess that populism is just for show (though we all knew that already). I hope McCaskill keeps it up, she's perfect to show what they really mean.

I think Hillary should have a convo with her surrogates this time and tell them not to piss off likely voters with their bullshit. I don't feel extreme. If the Hillary people think that lefties are extreme, maybe they don't need us.

and then use an avalanche of cash to get past the finish line. They may be right. I honestly think they wanted to play populist on teevee and are totally blindsided by a real populist in the race. We'll see if a majority of the people buy it. It's 2008 all the fuck over again!

I don't think they realize how important social media has become in the intervening years since the last run. There will be no secrets, all dirt will come to light.

might be a huge mistake. They must have seen the polls and saw that populism was the order of the day. But her history/record doesn't support it; in fact all there is is evidence to the contrary. Her campaign is stepping in it all over the place, just like last time. They can't help themselves.

I wonder if she is totally gobsmacked by the Bernie wave. 2 unstoppable opponents in a row. Or maybe she might realize, It's not them, it's me.

That said, I do try to find admirable things about her, and I'm a sucker for populist rhetoric so it's hard to tell if she's being genuine.. I'll be voting for her if she wins the nomination and don't want to dislike her if she gets elected.

But she has not chosen to run on them. Instead it makes her look disingenuous. She's trying for Obama 2008, but it's not 2008 and people want the real deal this time. I think...

lead, not follow.

For the first time I feel a candidate is taking up issues that effect my friends and family. We all feel like finding a job is harder today than it was a decade ago. We all feel that any job we do find is on in which we are hanging on to by a thread because it could be gone tomorrow. When she derides my candidate, a candidate that I have spent time and money and reputation backing, she derides me quite directly.

she got as many in as she could.

haven't liked her for a while.

she keeps reminding me why.

Can't stand her.

then it wasn't just me. Thought for a minute that I has being too sensitive.

She seemed dismissive and too willing to try and paint Bernie as an extremist. When the truth is Bernie's in line with traditional Dem party values...

There must be some concern that Bernie's becoming a problem for Hillary, calling Bernie too extreme to be President. If Hillary Clinton is being used as a measuring stick on how far to the left Democratic party can operate from, then the party is out of touch with voting Democrats

When I heard Rahm Emanuel quoted as saying about the left "where else are they going to go", as in, 'we don't have to do shit for the left, they are forced to vote for us no matter how bad we screw them', I decided that I would eat a shit sandwich before I voted for another corporatist.

People may just sit home instead if they feel like they are being used and discarded. It's time for that old fashioned wrongheaded thinking to dissappear.

Ain't no way, ain't no how.

Left the Prez spot blank in 2012, and will do it again if necessary.

(And before people jump all over my ass, I live in one of the very reddest of red states, so, thanks to the fucking anachronistic Electoral College, my vote doesn't mean shit.)

oh, and btw, fuck Rahm Emanuel and the horse he rode in on.

In some places that would be considered an incomplete ballot.
Write in Bugs Bunny or something.

They think they know what is best for us. In reality their solutions aren't that great for us. Democrats are sick of this crap and that is why Bernie is popular.

Using terms like 'extreme' when talking about positions I favor is a big turn off. I hope this approach will not be the standard fare we recieve from Hillary surrogates. Last time I was very dissappointed. And hurt.

They keep peddling Republican ideas. It's not playing well with voters.

McCaskill voted to pass the Fast Track today, BTW. Hillary wouldn't come out for or against it, but her surrogate certainly had a preference. And it wasn't what the majority of the American public wanted.

pisses me off. Complete turn off and like you I am at least as far left as Sanders. So good job Clare, because now I am for sure voting for Sanders.

However, this also shows me that they are starting to get scared of Sanders and it's going to get rough and tumble from here on out if he continues to gain on Hillary.

I knew he would gain on Hillary but I did not expect this reaction. I expect a move to the left not this condescension.

I agree with you completely.

Thank you for you dignified and concise candor.

Last edited Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm going to cut and paste a post from another thread. It just a thought that gets to why the left is so frustrated with the economic wisdom of Washington - whether it be from the likes of Paul Ryan or Claire McCaskill.

Rank and file Democrats expect Democrats to work within the economic framing of tried and true
Keynesian economic theory and not work within the framework of the proven disastrous framework of RW Milton Friedman and Leo Strauss. Unfortunately, many Dems as well as the President work within that frame which provokes both confusion and frustration on the left.

The radical right wing economic philosophy that has guided and governed the USA for 40 years is so entrenched that many believe it's the only philosophical perspective. The lore of this disaster capitalism is that it's age old common wisdom. Ayn Rand is required reading in Community College economic classes. This dangerous economic policy is taken for granted as the only way.

In an age of mind bending wealth for the upper 1%, but crushing financial hardship for the 99%, the "Very Serious People", are discussing severe austerity measures and cutting Social Security and Medicare and/or raising the the eligibility age. WIC and SNAP programs are slashed in the name of austerity and shared sacrifices. It's "very serious people" bargaining with our lives to take life saving money away from the elderly and the poor and the ill to give back to the ultra rich.

One cannot strengthen and augment life saving programs like Social Security and live within the austerity of Friedman. The two philosophies do not reconcile at all. If you work within their economic framing, then you are ceding that their worldview is correct, it's just a matter of degrees. Those who protest these horrible ideas are branded as "radical leftists".

Washington's self important economic common wisdom is unsustainable for the common American.

The rise of the Occupy Wall Street, the Fight for $15! in conjunction with Black Lives Matter, as well as Rolling Jubilee all give voice to the needs of the people. Whether by design or happenstance, these movements demonstrate the Theory of the Rhizome put forth by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, two leftist thinkers that most in the mainstream don't even discuss. For the past 40 years, leftist thinkers have been elbowed out of the way to make room for free trade and trickle down economics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizome_(philosophy)

I don't know why the wiki link isn't working so I'll add the original text here:

http://danm.ucsc.edu/~dustin/library/deleuzeguattarirhizome.pdf


These movements, that are routinely mocked and tittered about have changed the discussion in this country. We are now discussing Wall Street corruption. We are now talking about living wages paid to hard working people. We are now discussing crazy drug policies that criminalize whole communities. We are now discussing police violence against people of color. We are now discussing the corrupt bail system, and the coercive and punitive nature municipal ticketing of people of color. We are now discussing the privatized neo-debtor's prisons. We are now discussing canceling crippling student loan debt and free tuition.

Change is happening and the "very serious people" better take notice.

I'm so grateful for the introduction of Thomas Piketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century into the economic bloodstream. We now have more to discuss in Community College economic classes other than the Atlas Shrugged "textbook".

I thank Thomas Frank for this essay, because I think it gets to the root of why the left is so frustrated with the economic policies of the center right of the Democratic Party. It also clarifies Claire McCaskill's attacks on Bernie Sanders as being "too liberal" and a radical.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could ask our Presidential candidates who are their governing economic and political philosophers? I know that would help me decide who to vote for.

She is as mindless as most Repukian candidates...Sanders is liberal...What the hell is wrong with that?...is McCorset saying that HRC is a TurdWay Democrat?

knuckleheads in MO, but not with people who utilize their brains.

It's too damn obvious.

rather than Democratic Socialist. It does make a difference.

Sad to say, madfloridian..this is nothing compared to what is coming down the pike.

I do believe Sanders is prepared for it and so are we.

Just have to be prepared.

We are going to see a LOT more of this! And the line between commentary and paid commentary will blur to the point of invisibility.

nomination..he is going after the entire system.

And you are 100% correct: it will take the work of us to counter that push-back, with our actions, our words, our money, whatever we can do.

I'm ready!!!

it have to be this way..who benefits? How can a democracy thrive under these constraints?

I am in all the way too....work hard, stay focused.

in fact neither did Potus. Whatever Sen. McCaskill is she is a strong supporter of women's rights and she won re-election, as a Democrat . The Bernie instigators want to primary her, so to them wait until 2018.

No democrat is going to win here In 2016.

She is a useless dem.we might as well have republican.

Unlike 2012 i won't be supporting her at all in 2018.I made that decsion after her tpp vote.this just confirms my decsion as right.

Someone is feeling the Bern!

so much as Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin gave it to her.

As for being a Democrat, McCaskill had this to say in an email I received today...

And I'm going to guess it wasn't a principled stand against foreign interventions, or administrative overreach.

Imo this smells like a smoking gun, that she handed you.

Sneering, derisive..... I expected nothing less.


He sure as hell knows how to deal with that crap.

Oh the outrage that would follow...you would never hear the end of it.
It would be as if you played the Hitler card.

They seem to need to go back to high school cause they're dripping with stoopid.

I should think the fact that McCaskill won the election would show we-all did NOT "prefer the rape guy".

What does that have to do with Akin?

I cannot follow your train of thought at all. I am disembarking.